Can we please get the gates to Middle unlocked sometime soon?

If you hear a sending or DM shout from Lower and are the ‘wrong’ alignment to use the lift you’re screwed. By the time you get to Upper using the low-way the party is gathered and gone. A bit of a pisser if you stay in lower.

The disease has already spread so what’s the difference anyway...

Well, the lift really has the only problem of some weakness, it's not like you drop dead. It's just a temporary annoyance (from what I can tell, since none of my characters have been targeted by the wards), but I do see your complaint.

Not to steal DM thunder, but I think it's a 'push for it in-game' now

Using the lift you have at least 4 spots that I can think of off the top of my head to get zapped. And it's anywhere from taking (minor) damage to getting skills and abilities zapped. And yes, the effect does stack.

As for working for it IG ... well, those that closed the gates rarely listen to the common folk or those that travel back and forth. Lowersmen aren't exactly high on the list of people to be listened to by them either. And there are some that would just as soon seal the damn thing off permanently.

Not to mention, it's pretty hard to register a complaint with council or whoever when you get eaten trying to get up there to do so.

Nothing concerning the gate could be changed OOC, because the issue is entirely based on IC events and plots.

As for the way through New Dunwarren, there are two places you can get zapped and sapped, considering how the outer gates now longer for FOIG reasons carry such wards.

I tested the N-D path... A C/N PC took three hits, two of which the PC saved against. Had the PC not saved s/he would not have been in any shape to join a quest.

And this PC passed three diseased citizens in New Dunwarren so the reasoning of locking the gates to stop the disease from spreading is a bit pointless.

Also my reasoning for this post was OOC to start with not IC. IF you hang out in Lower there are times you can not get to Upper in a reasonable amount of time for certain things. On an IC basis I would agree that the PC have to deal with the gate being locked and go aroud, (Like I do). But is it fair to the players behind the PC to miss out on something due to a simple matter of unlocking the gates?

Not to mention the new arrival 2nd level PC's that technically wouldn't know these other routes and one might get them killed and the other would mess them up severely.

Solve IC problens through IC measures.

RIPnogarD

Not to mention the new arrival 2nd level PC's that technically wouldn't know these other routes and one might get them killed and the other would mess them up severely.

He forgot to mention not only just 2nd level PC's but new players to the server as well. They wouldn't have a clue as to the who-when-where-why.

I understand why you guys are pushing the "only can be solved IG" stance, but let's be a little realistic with this, eh? So much has been effectively blocked with this little manuever of closing the gates it's insane.

**Edit**

And while we're talking about IG ... we might as well kill about 3/4 of the recent letters in the "letters" forum. Beggars and kids sure as hell aren't going the Low Way. How many of them know of or are going to use the lift? And ... if the guards would in theory open the gates for these letter runners, then you might as well just open the damn gates for the PC's. Otherwise your letters aren't getting through.

level 2 PC's can easily get to lower.

I do it all the time.

Via the gate road using invisibility

Shall I repeat the part about new players to the server??

And the only way a 2nd level PC gets the invisibility potion is if they do the Nurtle quest. Otherwise they don't get one.

:roll:

Gimme a break TNVW

That's you Thomas. You obviously are not a 'newer' player.

Thomas_Not_very_wise level 2 PC's can easily get to lower.

I do it all the time.

Via the gate road using invisibility

May I ask HOW your 2nd level character knows about the gate road and to use invisiblity??

I the PLAYER know about them, but a character NEW to Sanctuary would not have a clue, where to even start to look for the low road, nor would they have a clue as to who to speak to in order to open the gates.

I'm all for IN game... but then the CHARATCERS have to know, who, what, where, why and when. And let's face is they SHOULDN'T have that knowledge.

I'm not argueing this either way..but if you want this solved IC..then try to keep your 2nd level characters as such. They are new to the area (unless of course they are all born here...then that is different) don't know where they are, don't know the rules, who is in power etc.

They can learn the hard way.

Honestly- if I was a level 2 PC, I would most certainly use a invis potion in the underdark, and the PC merchants sell invis potions quite cheaply- well within the range of someone who just did deliveries.

This server is hard, when I came here, I stayed in town for a reason, I was terrified to go out. If people did not read the signs in the beginning area, they deserved what they got.

Thank you.

Okay, maybe I was being a tad harsh.

but My point stands, this server is the underdark, a harsh, unforgiving environment. I can think of a dozen reasons, and ways, to lift the locked gate statues in the in between.

New players who know what they are doing should have no problem. If they don't, then this how they learn. This server is scary, and I like it this way.

I know you simply want the gates open, but I still say, do it through an IC means.

I was going to reply to you TNVW but decided it's just not worth it ...

Me-ow.

This is not optimal, but is due to obvious IC causes. Complain to your Councillors, not us!

Just for the sake of being an arguementative pain in the ass ...

When do Lowersmen get a councilor to complain to? ^.^

When you get off your ass, and make a council!

Ok, Going to jump in here and say its unlikely a new player will start anywhere but in the underdark. Most people who start in lower should get ready for some inconveniences. Anyway, the trip from upper to lower has made it so lower actually has an active community.

I'm honestly for keeping it locked for all eternity, as even in the day of the montezzi or the Loons and Ledskirs, lower wasn't this active.

[Puts on anti-flame armor and prepares for the onslaught]

*Praises Hammerfist*

Whine about IC things ICly.

I was going to start "a can we unlock the gates" topic but clearly this one is already saying that. I have lost 2 low level characters trying to get from Upper to Lower. I have even tried calling the watch to open the gate and like most law enforcement there is never one around when you want one :wink: . A decent level PC can walk the Underdark fearlessly and get between Upper and Lower. Low level ones die. I rarely meet a councillor so not much can be done on that front. I understand I am asking OOC to fix something that can be fixed IG but the locked gates are lowering the fun factor IG. Also IG there no real reason to say "unlock the gates so I can do more quests, I don't fear that plague!" this would be out of character so not a good RP thing to do.

Well, when I was in the Watch, whenever I locked the gates (security check point, trying to keep 'Tezzis down, etc.), I all ways was there to act as border security, that way low level players could still get through, if they couldn't for some reason, I all ways explained things to them so they were aware. (For example, I explained that for the sake of security I was searching them).

Then again, that's just me, and it wasn't a council degree to lock the gates.

So maybe we need PC Watchmen to stand guard, or possibly set up an auto-script with one of the Privates there saying "I'm sorry, but there's a plauge in the Lower, and as a quarintine we have locked the gates. If you wish to go to the Lower, inquire about other routes.'

Just something like that would help, especially for new PC's.

Terry Whine about IC things ICly.

This would not be an IG whine at all; it’s a selfish OOC whine. Sorry I like to go on DM quests and was a little torque’d when I didn’t arrive in time because of this gate. :( My PC wasn't upset about it, I was! So if you don't have anything to say except "quit your whining" at least get it straight and tell me to "quit being selfish" instead.

If your character doesn't mind, why should you?

I agree with TNVW, just work towards this IG. :?

9lives When you get off your ass, and make a council!

Oooo Burn!

I actually agree with the poster on this. In game design flow is needed both in advancement and in areas, and cutting off the main safe route from one half of the quest givers from the other hampers both.

For low level characters this is troublesome-- You do not, have easy access to armor past studded leather and small shields in upper, or access to the other quest givers. It hampers the other way to lower through the underdark for low level non-stealth types without burning an invis pot each way (not an option for new characters that lack the funds).

Granted I love accomplishing things IG, but alternatives such as posting NPC guards to hold back any infected people would be a viable option IMO, with a trigger script on the ground that would read something like "The way is blocked by wary watchmen with pikes, pushing back any they feel are infected with the butts of their weapons". That way, low levels can travel for advancement, to the other parts of the city to party up, and interact freely with the higher level characters to help solve the problem IG. That way, both the player IC and OOCly are happy and can add to the server.

I think a better suggestion would be for the Middle Gate to be bashable. Then script it so that the NPC Watchmen turn hostile the moment you begin attacking the gate.

That way, if you really needed to get through the gate...you could. But there would be dire consequences.

I think you can bash it. Some guy got busted for it, though.

The Crimson Magician If your character doesn't mind, why should you?

OOC: I like DM quest because they are unique, give decent XP and sometimes even DM loot out of the deal. But my character doesn’t know all this, (this is OOC).

The Crimson Magician If your character doesn't mind, why should you?

My character doesn't mind because he/ she does not know any different. That is the difference between IC and OOC.

I know there are other ways around, I know that some of them are dangerous, I know there is a lift that will get me there.

However my 2nd level PC, who has been here a matter of hours / days does NOT. She has NO idea how to get from lower into upper...there for I have spent more hours than I care to think about wandering around lower doing little to nothing.

I as the PLAYER had to sign off, and left her in the Crone, she is not normally there, but because of RL, that is where she is at. Now, as a PLAYER I could say screw it, and take the other routes....I don't because she has never seen them and doesn't know where it would lead her. She knows she is in the Underdark and it is a dangerous place, she knows not to investigate unknown places alone. She has not been here long enough to know who to trust and who not..so she sits and waits for the day she can again travel to upper, safely.

Again, I'm not arguing for the gates one way or the other...If it is to be done IG fine...At the same time...let's keep IC knowledge and OOC knowledge seperated. I the player may get torqued, that does not mean the Character is, I the player know there are other ways to get between Upper and Lower, that does not mean the Character does, I the player may know you...that does not mean the Character does.

Well, I guess this is my perpetual status as a level 4 shining through, but I usually only do one or two quests a day, and spend many, many hours IG. So I haven't seen this issue.

My recommendation, Dont unlock the gates, instead send a tell to whoever made their sending to wait for you.

We need Danorian! We need Danorian!

Lowersmen, rally, gather alch. fire, and remove the bloody gates yourself! 'Course you will spark a war, but is not the server all about conflict! :twisted:

Guess now theres a benefit to being in upper, you can reply to sendings quickly. The benefit of being in lower is that there are generally more group low level quests (Or at least more rewarding ones especially 4-6).

So in any case. I feel that this needs to be handled ic. If you get upset ooc over ic inconvenience's then I'm not certain why you play EFU in the first place.

This is not the first time things like this have restricted questing and it is far from the worst example and I highly doubt this will be the last time either.

Arguably, it could be a good way to get involved with other characters from start, getting people to help you in the epic journey to Upper, the Land of the Gold and Quest Givers ( Or the other way around)

<_<

I think some of you are forgetting something. If a player knows something and uses it across characters that is called Crossing aka Metagaming! And this server has a rule against that.

https://efupw.com/efu1-forum/topic/39/39762/metagaming-reminder/index.html

Or did we forget that Thomas??? What Sylvyr is talking about is someone new to the server would not know about the gate road. And a Character new to the city would not know it either!

Hell I just last night found out about a set of stairs that will take you down to Lower. But there is one MOTHER of a chosen sitting there waiting to show you the way to your God or Goddess!

I don't disagree that it's bad for gameplay to have this situation in place. It is certainly an IC situation, but when I get home tonight I'll see if I can figure something out.