Kobolds and GOblins app only

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

Look, I know they are great fun, the occasional goblin and kobold horde is great.

Honestly, people are playing these races wrong. They are universally evil, should be hated, loathed, and abused and murdered on site. You DON"T strike up a conversation with a goblin, you should ignore it, attack it, and send it running.

Since the player base seems to not get the idea, and goblin/kobold players aren't playing them right, I propose to revert them to application only.

Thank you.

[Daemonic Daz]

After the events of today, I agree that goblins and kobold should be app only. It is ridiculous to see the amount of PC's actually defending a inherantly evil greedy creature.

I also agree that gullibility of characters can and encouraged to be exploited, but in my opinion. It was more general acceptance of the monster than gullibility of PCs being exploited.

[Disco]

I am with you on this one Thomas.
There have been far too many nice goblins/kobolds, and I would love to see them as application races once agien. (Ofcourse they should be VERY easy to have approved since they suck :-) )

[Garem]

I reluctantly add my voice to the chorus. We've had some really good things come from making them non-app, but it is in my opinion the least consistantly roleplayed (or perhaps, it is consistantly roleplayed WRONG, if I may be so bold) thing on the server, both by monster PCs and non-monster PCs.

Making it app only again would strengthen the integrity of the server's consistancy and strength of roleplaying. Plus, come on... they're not hard to app for. And if someone doesn't want to take the time to put some effort into a goblin or kobold to make an app that's almost guarunteed to pass, they should not be permitted to break the immersion for other players. Plus, frankly, I get very frustrated by the number of monsters running around because I don't like FDing people, and rarely do I have any reason to do otherwise.

Just my opinion!

[Winston Martin]

They're also meant to be a monster everyone can chase down and kill for no reason. So kill them. Especially the irritating cutesy ones.

[Denko]

I get very frustrated by the number of monsters running around because I don't like FDing people, and rarely do I have any reason to do otherwise.

Tell me if I got it right: you are frustrated because you are somehow forced (by what??) to fd people despite the fact you don't like it?

[TooCuteForComfort]

I think I witnessed the incident on the side that led to Thomas's initial post and it made me think the same about this issue..

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

I think this is stemming from the OOC courtesy people give to other players that are behind the screen.

Look, OOC courtesy can only go so far. Goblins are vile, baby eating, child murdering, enslaving monsters. OOC courtesy should not affect IC decisions.

[Skrillix]

I support this motion.

[MisterPAIN]

First I would like to point out there a quite a few new players to the EfU playerbase and don't know how, including dealing with a goblin.  Please be considering all those happy RP servers that hug and love monsters and the damage they cause. =(

Goblins can kind of relatively be safe in the zig because of Gobsquats and it makes sense.  I don't think most PCs want to anger the local band of heavily armed goblins out of convenience if someone snitches on them by random goblin murdering unless they know it can't escape.  I think there is an underestimation of Gobsquat influence at that part.

Also keep in mind characters that occasionally don't have the heart or means to kill some pathetic creatures and really want them dead.

A lot of the playerbase seems to be newish as well.  Although I do see a bit of hypocrisy when people are getting drylooted of gold and anything remotely good and not doing anything for goblins/kobolds that pass them.

Keep in mind, many of the past goblin/kobold PCs while appearing to be cutesy and nice they were really debating if they wanted to have you for lunch.  Ghyrrt's tribe would be an example of this.  I haven't seen too much of these characters that would look like we needed to make them app races so I think you all are jumping the gun for a few special cases.

I personally would be displeased if I would have to app for the race.  Players can simply be guided into playing a proper monster PC / treating one.  Smack a few monster lovers around if they associate with them enough, make that pitchfork mob.  Less crying about it and see what you can do.  I am against putting kobold/goblin PCs for app because I'd rather not add frustration for both DM and player to approve 6-9 separate applications for just a typical goblin band.

[RIPnogarD]

I think some of this stems from the NPC “good” goblins and kobolds. If we get use to accepting them it should in turn get us use to accepting PC types. Who’s to say the PC isn’t part of that faction it may even have been app’d to be part of the Gobsquat. You can’t unless you use OOC knowledge. So quite honestly I don’t see a problem with not killing them on site based on the NPC tribes present.

So from what I know of this place so far. I wouldn’t kill goblins on site because of the Gobsquat tribe. Kobolds on the other hand should probably expect confrontation on site.

If you want to kill them on site, get rid of the NPC tribes in my opinion. It was one thing in the Underdark, entirely different story on the surface.  (I'm not a fan of NPC tribes of goblins and kobolds btw.)

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

If it's on the Ziggurat, it's free game as long as you have a DM.

[RIPnogarD]

If it's on the Ziggurat, it's free game as long as you have a DM.

That’s fine as long as I’m not told as a player that it’s my job to kill goblins. If the PC frequents the Gobsquat and accepts them, then they are not very racially motivated against goblins. If on the other hand my PC’s racial prejudice is such that I avoid the Gobsquat at all costs and plot to eliminate them, then sure I would. But I don’t like being dictated to, if my PC could care less about goblins, then I should not be questioned in tells, [why didn’t you attack him?]. I am not going to question anybody either way; I feel we should play our PC’s to their personality, not the dictates of others.

[wcsherry]

It is certainly in character for some players to enslave and protect goblins, while others are completely indifferent to them. Generally speaking most NPC's will treat goblins as they are meant to be treated in canon literature however; as vicious lowbie monsters adventurers slaughter in hoardes that are reviled by all as thieving, murderous beasts. The same goes for kobolds.

At any rate, I've recently disliked monster PC's quite a bit and think they add little if anything productive to the gameworld. They circumvent even our most basic courtesy rules when it comes to PvP, and are a testament to everything I dislike about spurious, un-needed PvP in mass.

I would like to see this happen as well, actually.

[putrid_plum]

yes

I would just add that I agree greatly with this suggestion for many of the reason listed above.