Level Adjustment.

[Snoteye]

Anybody for this suggestion is missing the point that a character's stats should not form the basis of your (character's) first impression of it.

[Letsplayforfun]

EfUA doesn't encourage becoming scary by sheer levelling, and that should include monster pcs as well, imo. Who's scared of a lone lizard man or lone sahaguin anyway? You're not app'ing  for an umberhulk, and i can't see the app only races being more scary than anyone else when alone.

Besides, if i'm not mistaken, monster pcs are a 'reward' or accepted when their presence will bring something cool on the server. Levelling with casual pcs in terms of lvls is not part of the deal.

@Pup's: monster pcs just like any pcs will die and lose lvls and equip themsleves just as well as anyone, or if they are scary will become gang leaders and bully better equipement.


My 2c.

[Caddies]

I suggest doing away with ECL altogether, with attendant increase in the strictness of subrace application consideration.

This would see less monster PCs, better monster PCs and scarier monster PCs.

[VanillaPudding]

ECL = Effectice Character Level
CL = Character Level = All Levels in every class summed up
most races have an ECL of +0 which means:
Character Level = Effectice Character Level.

Level adjustment, adds to your CL and gives an ECL.

Level Adjustment is where the real nerf comes in, so in effect, a level 2 drow get's XP as if they were level 4...even though they are not. This should be done away with, and put stronger restrictions on the applications. None of these classes are going to make or break the world we live in, even -if- they are mechanically stronger. Players should have the option, within our OOC pvp rules, to slay certain creatures, as well as NPCs controlled by DMs. In effect, a poorly played character of these classes will never amount to anything special, while a character obviously deserving of reward due to good RP can advance.

Anyway, just my thoughts.

[Oskar Maxon]

To not have Snoteye explode, I'll correct VP:
Most races do not have an ECL of +0, but an LA (Level Adjustment) of +0.
ECL = CL + LA.

[Snoteye]

I hate whoever got this wrong in the first place for tainting the Internet so.

[Porkolt]

So, what exactly -is- the difference between level adjustment and ECL?

[Ommadawn]

I suggest doing away with ECL altogether, with attendant increase in the strictness of subrace application consideration.

This would see less monster PCs, better monster PCs and scarier monster PCs.

For what it's worth, I agree with Caddies.

[DangerousDan]

Caddies is right. We've too many subraces running around anyway.

[Listen in Silence]

I agree with Caddies.

[Howlando]

I just can't help but remember the general reaction of many in the playerbase in the past when we had monstrous PCs get to a high level.

If you don't recall, it was something along the lines of:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

[Cruzel]

Which is why MY suggestion was scaled ECL.

This way you still don't have super high level monsters, but they aren't perpetually low level, easily swattable things.

[Nas]

Perhaps a different way of handling the penalty is in order, one that still has the effectiveness of a LA while not being crippling. like 10 or 15% xp penalty per lvl adjustment. so you wold get 80 xp on a quest that gives others 100 with a LA of 2.

This way you still get xp, no matter what. And yet it takes a longer time then for normal races.

As someone who is playing a LN Cleric of Kelemvor, I would enjoy seeing the PC monster team become more prominent in DM run events and day to day life.

Go team middle ground

[Oskar Maxon]

A different way of handling it is pretty much what Cruzel is suggesting, and that, I like!

[I can has fun?]

Anybody for this suggestion is missing the point that a character's stats should not form the basis of your (character's) first impression of it.

When you see some poor drow PC crumple into a silver-haired heap after someone sneezes, it's not a first impression anymore.

I heartily support this suggestion.