Level Adjustment.

[Cruzel]

I've been thinking about this, lately.

Most ridiculously powerful subraces on EFU are Very monstrous and thus supposed to be very scary.   However, when you start off as a level 2 who can't gain any notable XP from any of the beginner quests (Most of which you probably can't do, because you're a monster, and people don't hire monsters to do deliveries very often!)


The fact that it's so difficult to get a foothold with some of the more monstrous/hated races like Drow, makes it nearly impossible to have these races feared when It's a PC, because Unless the player powerquests like nothing else (After first finding a tolerant posse), chances are they will still only be level 4-5, maybe 6. Whereas the average PC is level 7-8.   Some races have stat adjustments to compensate, but overall most non subrace PCs are going to be higher level, have more supplies and such because of it.


My suggestion is simple ; Don't apply LA until level 5. Or make it scaled. So A LA 3 Subrace starts out with LA 1 at level 1,  Moves up to LA 2 at 4 or 5, and LA 3 at 6 or 7.

This will help 'scary' races, be more 'scary' because they are not perpetually low levels compared to the rest of the playerbase.

(Or just remove the LA, since it's kind of dodgy anyways)

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

II'd be for it...unless I find something wrong here.

[GarbageGenasi]

It's Cruzel. You're bound to find something wrong with the post if you look hard enough.
 
In all seriousness though, I wouldn't mind seeing this implemented. It'd give the harried players of application-only subraces a half-decent chance at surviving and possibly even thriving in the server.

[Sandstorm]

I am in support of removing ECL altogether.

[TheMoonlightBecomesYou]

I'm agreeing with this.

[VanillaPudding]

Agreed - They are application only on a low population server. Remove ECL all together, or lower them to +1. ECL is taken from Pen and Paper rules which honestly, don't come near nwn and shouldn't. Just get rid of it, please.

[Wern8]

I think removing it altogether would be fine, but should we not worry about these sub race PCs becoming too powerful? Some of the races are truly powerful and if they level up as quickly as the standard PCs it might be a problem. But if these races are kept in low numbers on the server or be treated as they should be in game, then its probably a different story.

[Cruzel]

You guys are going to give Snoteye a Stroke.

We are discussing LEVEL ADJUSTMENT here, (LA) Which is not ECL. (Snoteye will crush you)



To address Wern's point - Anything with HIGH ecl is a MONSTER and should be crushed by team good/team average adventurer and some of team evil as well.

The fact that they should be HUNTED and mistrusted  should make it 1) hard for them to quest in the first place, and 2)Stay alive being the MONSTER that you are.


Seriously, consider the average lifespan of very, very monstrous PCs who don't have a large shield to hide behind.

The monsters do not need such a hindrance to put them so far behind the average player when they are already disadvantaged as it is by simply being what they are. Not so early on, Anyways. I can see LA being put into place from stopping them from getting to L8/L9 so easily, but when they can barely reach 4 or 5, that is a problem and really no fun, tbh.

[Snoteye]

LA will not go away without a substitution. If you apply (and are approved) for a sub race with LA, you are going to have a more difficult time leveling up than normal races. That's the whole idea. If you don't like it, don't apply. The purpose of LA sub races was never to make them more powerful than regular races.

[Wern8]

They should be mistrusted and hunted, but so far I find that they are having an easy time on the server. It seemed different on EFU, but as of now I think monster PCs lasts quite long.

[Snoteye]

Addendum: I might have been willing to consider it if monstrous PCs were casually targeted. AFAIK, they are not.

[SkillFocuspwn]

Races such as Werecreatures, that can work relatively well amongst people but turn insane, would be completely overpowered by removal of LA. Not for.

As an aside note, though, Gobsquat is nothing like Lower, which makes me sad. A PC cannot survive in Gobsquat alone, level up without ever entering the Ziggurat, or function without having to visit society. LA races like Drow and Ogres who were obvious threats to the city used to be able to level up relatively safely there, with only PCs as threats rather than full Watch battalions.

[Cruzel]

Most of the monstrous PCs I have seen so far have not been targetting for visible reasons. Senhagad was with Olid, someone most people didn't want to mess with.  Ixtiotl is with the stygians.

Almost every other monster PC I can think of is/has been targetted quickly, and not lived long.



To Reiterate; The main focus of this suggestion is not to make it ridiculously easy for monsters to level - I am trying to draw focus on the fact it is much harder for monsters to level anyways (Especially now, when team GOOD is so prominent) because players at the very least will say GTFO, MONSTER!! If they won't outright attack.

When they do get to quest, they earn little to no XP, making it ridiculously hard for them to get 'scary' like a monster should be, as opposed to simply being a member of this 'scary' race who happens to be able to be taken down by any passing L5 because their  HP is so low.

The Original suggestion was to have LA be scaled, so a Monster can get to L5 without the previous difficult,y because l5 is not too high, and allows for them to start to be 'scary' like they should be, not some Low level, low HP rat who can easily be crushed.

[Pup]

I would be for making really good app monstrous PCs to start at their level adjustment, or higher considering the danger/alienation said race faces.

As it stands, people don't attack out of our server-cultivated OOC respect for each other.  Perhaps adding this and encouraging normal behavior could balance it self out.

I mean, a truly immediate boost in lvl will disallow building up of supplies and such, and I seriously doubt anyone would complain as long as players aren't stupid, which the app already takes care of.

[Listen in Silence]

Occasionally, the Pup makes a decent argument.

This is one such time.