THE ROCK

[Damien]

I have a better idea yalta, let's make the mages cast hellball instead of fireball, that will make it challenging right?

But seriously, the quest is hard enough already with out adding the 'pincer move', and as for this comment "Notice the loot. There is like NONE going around, because the AI is too dumb to work around it." all I can say is since you have lenny, taern and drudo they probably died before they could go around the rock >_>

[Listen in Silence]

Since this quest was most likely altered to reflect the spending/profit of the earlier groups, who all used the rock, if you remove it the quest should have a slight upgrade in reward. I've done it a few times without any cover tactic, and all times it's been fiercely unrewarding.

[PanamaLane]

Removal is endorsed by myself, and the many constituents from which I derive said authority.

[Mort]

I had no clue people whored the AI like that.

-_-

[Calavera]

The mettle of a player/PC is often determined by whether they use this ROCK or not.

See things like that can be nice for when groups are getting their butt kicked so they can fall back to it, but when perfectly strong groups march up to it like clockwork and use it with perfect coordination just so they can do a rewarding quest without the use of any supplies, it's not particularly impressive.

Change may be forthcoming.

Do you ever feel like the whole meaning of life is that God is watching you and trying to make up his mind if you are a good person or not?

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

Hrm, perhaps having the Prophet Orcs spawn at the same time everything else spawns? People use this corner to avoid the prophets so they can only deal with the melee buggers.

[dragonfire9000]

Dwayne Johnson will kick all o'ya'll's asses.

[Caddies]

Since this quest was most likely altered to reflect the spending/profit of the earlier groups, who all used the rock, if you remove it the quest should have a slight upgrade in reward.

This is ridiculous. I have never ever seen or heard of anybody using the rock until the other day when I went on the quest with you. I was in many of the 'earlier groups' and we never did this because its exploiting.

>_<

[AKMatt]

Early groups held at the corner, as far as I know, up ahead of the rock.

[Listen in Silence]

You played for a long time a very high lvl, very well supplied character, Caddies. Ortred could afford the stylish charging and dashing about to beat the crap out of the orcs in open field.
Most groups couldn't do that, because they were simply overrun and killed as soon as they tried. To be honest, the only groups I've been in that didn't use this rock earlier on was the de Olid groups, and the two recent ones after this has been publically renounced an exploit.

Note, both of those recent groups, who would've gone fairly evenly in profit and expense had they used the corner, instead were almost entirely TPK'd, and spent massive supplies before so, receiving little at the end.

[9lives]

I'm not sure that justifies abusing the AI.

[Wern8]

Its not that hard a quest. Though I do admit that it would be pretty difficult if you charge right on, but using the rock is not needed. If you need to exploit the AI to survive, then its best you simply stay away from this quest.

But yes, a change to this quest might be good.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

Any group Kawurachi went  on never did this quest with this rock.

[Caddies]

You played for a long time a very high lvl, very well supplied character, Caddies.

I did this quest from about L5 onwards and most of the time had mediocre/average supplies. Not once did we use the rock to lame the AI, and I can't recall a single instance of us not finishing the quest. Sorry, but I don't buy your argument.

[Listen in Silence]

I'm definately not arguing for keeping the rock. I am suggesting that should it be removed, the reward should be scaled slightly to reflect the difficulty increase. I dislike that lame tactic just as much as anyone else.