What's the problem about fighter/barbarians?

[ScottyB]

His mental state has little to do with his abilities (being unstable shouldn't qualify you for Rage!) He has an incredible cunning, resourcefulness, and motivation that fits more with the Ranger class than either Fighter or Barbarian.

[derfo]

how about a fighting barbaric warrior PRC???

[Mort]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0064.html

Barbarian/Fighter is a Cliché since the dawn of multiclass in D&D. It's just easy to do, easy to use and doesn't require a lot of thinking/strategy to play.

Just go forward, soak damage due to your high hp, good ac and hit things hard.

It's usually made and used for that very purpose and it's a purpose that most DM (and players) dont find that appealing to watch, I suppose.

[ScottyB]

I would not be opposed to some kind of tribalistic, wisdom-based Noble Savage PrC, actually; it could be quite interesting.

BTW, did Roy just take a level of Barbarian, there?

[ExileStrife]

For what it's worth, Kilaya76, I also do not like ftr/rogues and barb/rogues.  Perhaps the worst is the triple threat, ftr/barb/rogue.  Again though, this is just me who does not like them.  It doesn't make it wrong to play it and I have conceded that there have been a few of these characters whom I thought were interesting.

[I can has fun?]

Isn't this like the fifth time we've dragged out this debate?

I want to have the debate on monk / cleric.

[9lives]

I'm waiting for an opportunity to invoke Godwin's Law.

[Oskar Maxon]

Nazis.

[MisterPAIN]

Apparently you can't be calculating with rage, train with vigorous anger, and like to be your own man, or so I hear.

Perhaps we could into a purely character of the EfU's view of a warrior? Characters that rage their heart out, train, and wield a weapon that can seriously mess some one up if hitting in the right spot are the strongest hitting men alive out of the typical adventurer.  Why not copy them since you are in a pretty dangerous place, and you need to survive?  Humans tend to copy what works best, and a warrior would probably cross-train if the humans in Faerun acted like the real humans of today.

The "martial artist purist" fighter has a good form, the "strength favoring and body building" barbarian bangs his shit against something hard to make his body harder and works out all the time to build his strength.

While in the sport of things mechanical powerbuilds are not really encouraged, but in reality the build within reason is quite justified and simply the class build is just not RPed, or RPed properly just like any other class, sort of like how we have dumb wizards.  Not that people should be obligated to RP their class because they multiclassed, it just is good form?

Considering new players are usually encouraged to make a fighter since it is much easier to survive than being a more squishy class, they most likely would multiclass barbarian as well to get by, and despite the "ideals" perceived of the class it really just makes sense for fighter/barbarian.  The lack of RP for the multiclass is probably due to the person being new, considering it is the most likely choice for a newbie to stand a chance anyway.  And I see you are whining because of the lack of RP!  Hell it makes perfect sense compared to wizard/rogue/paladins anyway.

[Gwydion]

I'm very glad that I we can't see the character list with class and level anymore, because builds that seemed generated for mechanics rather than RP always seemed cheap to me.  

Clerics that never say a prayer, bards that never chant/sing/juggle/act/play the bongo drums (salute to Helkesst) or barbarians wearing full plate armor always should warrant DM slappage IMO.  But now that I can't see these things, it's not as obvious and I'm content the DMs can deal with it or not as they see fit.

I think a good example of a fighter is Russel Crowe's character in Gladiator.  Trained to fight using many weapons, using cagy moves, calm cool and collected.  Brad Pitt's Achilles comes to mind as well in Troy.  (BTW, if you ever wondered what spring attack really is, watch that cat leap and bring it with a spear)  

Barbarians are like Mel Gibson's character and allies in Braveheart, or the token giant dude swinging a huge weapon that every movie with a melee scene seems obligated to employ.  Shrugging off wicked injuries, covered in blood, wearing light or no armor, with little regard for their own safety for themselves.

I will say that playing a 10 STR, RP built character with absolutely no combat feats or skills has been the most satisfying, rewarding, and fun experience I have ever had on EFU.

[Halfbrood]

that is william wallace. show some respect.

[Gwydion]

What was cool about William Wallace as portrayed by Mel Gibson was that he had a high CHA and INT.  A fairly high WIS also.  He didn't use fancy moves IIRC.  Just enough to get the job done.

Clearly not min/maxxed.  But had to be at least level 10, the way he rocked it out.  His rage bonus seemed to be +6 or greater.  Who was shooting him the Eagle's potions to max his rage?   I'm guessing the Irishman.

Props to WW!

[efuincarnate]

Dwarven Battle Rager = Fighter/Barb.  It actually became a class in later DnD versions if I remember.   A fullplate clad dwarven fighter who rushes into battle and thrashes about wildly til everything around him is dead. Only way to play one in EFUA would be a fightr/barb combo, well you could play it strt fighter, but it really makes no sense when the rage is in the barb class..or yes, you could take the heavy armor feat at 6 as a strt barb. But even better, there could be a Dwarven Battle Rager PRC!!!!!

I think the restrictions on barb now, if you wear heavy armor, you loose your dmg soak, and your fast movement, do a good job at making the combo less appealing.  Still, a fightr/barb is damn near unbeatable in a steel on steel matchup.  IF your pvp devolves into a drinking contest, or a wand quick draw, all bets are off. Which brings me to another point..Make all duels Steel On Steel!!! Any fool can drink a potion! Of course, ambush, assassination and the like are still win at all costs, but duels should be skill vs skill. Not " I can drink faster then you" that should be with ale, or rum, in a tavern, not in a dueling arena. Now that I have rambled completely off topic, I shall cease rambling.

[MisterPAIN]

I think the restrictions on barb now, if you wear heavy armor, you loose your dmg soak

This makes no sense for all that is holy and logically sensible.

[SkillFocuspwn]

Neither does magic, this is implemented because the DMs felt a Barbarian running around in full plate does not fit in with the balance of the server.