Turn Undead - Elf Domain - Elven Aim

Started by TsunamiWombat, May 29, 2019, 04:07:21 PM

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TsunamiWombat

Elven Aim effect of turn undead will *ONLY* proc if you have no other turn effects active.  I thought at first this was just a balance decision and not a bug, but this includes eyes of the forest, which only gives a bonus to spot/listen and has no effect on combat stats. Elven Aim is thus in effect useless, unless you randomly roll it first - and then no other turn undead effect will take until it wears off.

At this time I am unable to test if regular buff spells interfere (like magic weapon or divine favor) due to the random nature of procuring Elven Aim from turn undead.

TsunamiWombat

By spamming the bedroll in char-gen I have determined Elven Aim is NOT blocked by common buffs, ONLY by having one of the other two Turn Undead effects - Eyes of the Forest or Empower Elves.

For reference:

Empower Elves: Nearby allies and enemies in a colossal radius who are non-drow elves or half-elves receive +1 non-magical AB, +1 divine damage, +1 dodge AC, and +1 universal saves for 5 + 3*CHA rounds.

Elven Aim: Nearby allies in a colossal radius have their ranged weapons receive +1 non-magical AB, ranged ammunition receives +1 magical damage and +1 piercing damage for 5 + 3*CHA turn.

Eyes of the Forest: Nearby allies in a colossal radius receive +1*DLevel Listen and +1*DLevel Spot for 3 + 1*CHA turns.

I want to reiterate I don't mean the AB isn't stacking (which it wouldn't), but rather the +1 magic dmg and +1 piercing dmg is also not appearing, which WOULD apply in addition to the +1 divine damage empower elves get. If this is prevented for balance reasons it makes sense, but then eyes of the forest doesn't even touch attack or damage stats (only giving bonuses to listen and spot), and having it active ALSO prevents Elven Aim from taking effect.

TsunamiWombat

Also this character is NOT multiclassed, so if it is a result of the % failure of turn undead powers then that's a bug as well? As I seemed to have empower elves fail for no reason right after proccing eyes of the forest, when it was working fine in the rest room

So what I think is happening is turn undead powers are just randomly failing

Dredi

I can confirm that EARTH Domain 15/5 DR and 20% Protection buffs (Gained from 2 different results) are also blocked by each other and cannot be applied if the other is active.

Further testing confirms it is ALL Turn undead effects which are not "instantaneous" - I presume because Turn undead is one ability and you can only have one instance of an ability active at a time. Its like trying to have 2 castings of bulls strength on at once, only one applies. This is usually not an issue as the boons from a single spell or ability are typically static and so you dont loose out by their inability to overlap. Since turn undead has different effects however, thats not true.