Calawyn Steele

[Stranger]

Calawyn's excellent black market services (including cheap illegal sendings) should  become a Covenant perk. I suggest that he refuse to speak with clients unless they possess the Symbol.

He is such a great asset for a character who cannot enter Sanctuary, or just engages in illegal activities. Locking him would be a strong way to incentivize faction membership; particularly the intended demographic of "bandits paying the barest lip service" while doing bandit things.  He sells Cure Serious Wound potions at near the rate that brewing players do. His sendings cost less than those made in the House of Governance.  He is amazing. Keep him the way he is, but make him a faction-locked.

[bobofwestoregonusa]

Agreed 1000%. This as a faction perk would honestly be worthwhile and makes perfect sense.

[Damien]

No, don't do that at all. At the very most make him unable to use unless your spawn point is lower. Even then it's silly.

Just do the usual of punishing people who exploit. He shouldn't be Covenant specific, that rules out half of lower.

[petey512]

Bad for business placing such restrictions on yourself. I don't think I could respect Steel's entrepeneual spirit if he pulled a move like this.

[GreenPeace]

As detrimental as this would be to the entire criminal community in efu, of which I'm almost always a part of, I'm surprised this hasn't already been implemented.


The Covenant has some amazing roleplaying benefits. They've got the lairs they can employ which are huge for anyone trying to make big things happen. But Watchers and Warders get uniforms authority and robo-suits, and the Exile Collective get specialized items and full uniforms in the armor of their choice, but functionally the Covenant gets nothing beyond a fairly limited travel system and an amulet of protection. I'd take the fullplate offered by the Watchers or the fullplate offered by the exiles any day over an amulet of protection. Making Steele a resource only valuable to the Covenant would go a long way toward giving the faction some serious benefits to equal those offered by the others.

[Hollow_Mage]

I was shocked to see the cost was so low, and was expecting a massive mark-up. Could Calawyn offer the current price to Covenant members, and 4 times the price to outsiders?

[Time_Stomped]

changing it would make lower non-covenant unplayable tho

[Rookie]

Lower non-covenant?  What heresy is this?

[petey512]

I can respect what you're trying to suggest here- maybe the Covenant does need a little love- but I think you're being a little greedy in this regard. Calawyn is a perk for non-lawful characters and more importantly, rogues. If you guys take away another rogue benefit from me I'll just crap all over myself, I swear.


A flavorful ooze npc that sells powerful unique equipment to members of the Covenant sounds lovely.

[Ironside]

I wasn't aware this was non-Covenant and it certainly shouldn't be.  The idea that "Lower" is not synonymous with the Covenant at this point in time is one I would like to squash. 


Calawyn Steel, the half-drow, is an ally to the Covenant because the "other factions" that were wiped out were a moralistic upper-centric cult and a group of nihilist darkness worshippers.  Lower is still a crime ridden cesspit, and the Covenant of the Pure actively helps it stay that way.  The two have a symbiotic (if sometimes antagonistic) relationship.  The Crone hosts an ooze.  The Cathedral hosts an ooze.  The Fortress hosts an ooze.  The Cave hosts an ooze. 

Lower is the Covenant. For better or worse, that is how it is.  The Covenant is an umbrella crime faction.  It is not a sewer-dwelling Ghaunadauran cult.  Yes, there is an ooze element - but it is not the entirety of the faction. 


I genuinely do not understand how this is somehow difficult or hard to get just by looking around in-game!

[bobofwestoregonusa]

Not to mention the whole cult war sub plot in lower was ended at least two years ago where the Covenant actually took over the area.

[Damien]

I wasn't aware this was non-Covenant and it certainly shouldn't be.  The idea that "Lower" is not synonymous with the Covenant at this point in time is one I would like to squash. 


Calawyn Steel, the half-drow, is an ally to the Covenant because the "other factions" that were wiped out were a moralistic upper-centric cult and a group of nihilist darkness worshippers.  Lower is still a crime ridden cesspit, and the Covenant of the Pure actively helps it stay that way.  The two have a symbiotic (if sometimes antagonistic) relationship.  The Crone hosts an ooze.  The Cathedral hosts an ooze.  The Fortress hosts an ooze.  The Cave hosts an ooze. 

Lower is the Covenant. For better or worse, that is how it is.  The Covenant is an umbrella crime faction.  It is not a sewer-dwelling Ghaunadauran cult.  Yes, there is an ooze element - but it is not the entirety of the faction. 


I genuinely do not understand how this is somehow difficult or hard to get just by looking around in-game!

That's because very few players like the idea of a meme faction defining lower, hence why very few play it. I don't get why the dms don't accept/understand that fact. And to be honest the fact you're trying to make it sound like covenant is an umbrella faction sounds like a retcon. Ghanaudar is literally assimilate all.

[Ironside]

I'm sorry if you are too preoccupied doing (nothing mostly? griping about this faction and not playing?) to read the basic faction blurb on the gigantic forum thread, but I don't think the Covenant of the Pure has ever at any time been presented as a Ghaunadauran cult?  I think the implication of an awakened ooze (something ghaunadaur expressly hates?) eating a god and becoming immensely powerful isn't too subtle. 

I'm sorry that the Golden lads and the <who what> cult didn't win the war but we left the creation of this faction entirely in the hands of players, and this is what y'all picked.


It was expressly designed and presented as an umbrella faction for any conceivable lower concept, all of the mechanical benefits are tailored to facilitate that, and have been from the beginning. 


The only time the Covenant has ever been a "meme faction" is when the completely asshurt former ascensionist players  with the great sorcery in the bitching arts they wield DECREE it to be so in IRC/Discord from their immensely informed position of <not having played the faction or game at any point>

[Stranger]

Please lock this thread.

While it is great that people are learning about how Gran, Chuckling Bill, and Iron-Grip Annie are all proud members of the Covenant, this has nothing to do with my suggestion and this conversation has derailed into a strange argument between jaded veterans. I'm glad that my suggestion is being implemented. Thank you.

But this is a bad look for EFU. I'd like us to put it all behind us.

If people are still upset or skeptical about the Covenant as a whole, then it should be an entirely separate topic in General Discussion.

[Damien]

I'm sorry if you are too preoccupied doing (nothing mostly? griping about this faction and not playing?) to read the basic faction blurb on the gigantic forum thread, but I don't think the Covenant of the Pure has ever at any time been presented as a Ghaunadauran cult?  I think the implication of an awakened ooze (something ghaunadaur expressly hates?) eating a god and becoming immensely powerful isn't too subtle. 

I'm sorry that the Golden lads and the <who what> cult didn't win the war but we left the creation of this faction entirely in the hands of players, and this is what y'all picked.


It was expressly designed and presented as an umbrella faction for any conceivable lower concept, all of the mechanical benefits are tailored to facilitate that, and have been from the beginning. 


The only time the Covenant has ever been a "meme faction" is when the completely asshurt former ascensionist players  with the great sorcery in the bitching arts they wield DECREE it to be so in IRC/Discord from their immensely informed position of <not having played the faction or game at any point>

While I do enjoy the personal jabs there, I think my point still stands even if they aren't technically ghanaudar. The drow are pretty much the ones running the show and last I checked they were Ghanaudar rebels. If you want to create something that's more of a covenant of factions under the protection of ooze you should create other npcs that have conflicting goals but are otherwise stuck with each other.


Having said that I don't like this idea at all. You're removing choice from the player. If we had everyone in upper be Watchers and Warders it would be ridiculous no?


Covenant already get buffs and loot, I don't see why they should get Calawyn too. Stranger plays an exile so don't see how he has any dog in this fight. Me on the other hand play a criminal reaver stuck in lower, who now cant access the potion/sending merchant.