Roleplaying Properly

Started by Ladocicea, October 09, 2013, 07:07:54 PM

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el groso

Please, enlighten me on what I should use on IC informal situations, from a friendly PC towards a friendly PC, as replacement for these:
"Hey"
"Buddy" / "Bud"
"Pal"
"Guys"

Thanks.

Inquisitor


Ook

I don't see what the big deal is. I don't have a problem with any examples in the OP and, while I do agree that at some point things do become silly, I think that everyone on the server does consider appropriate language for their PCs and I've yet to see a single person crossing the lines of what I'd consider to be thematically appropriate language.

Until someone's starting sendings with "sup dudes?" I don't think there's a problem.

Inquisitor

Why can their not be a concept about a laid back guy who smokes too much weed and it's reflected in his speech?

Pup

It's no big deal.  Lado is just acknowledging the RP and offering a way to take it to an even higher level.  That said I understand the arguments noting that everything must be typed.  When I first joined here, 7 or 8 years ago, my typing was so slow I must have driven people nuts.  It drove me nuts.  Thankfully now I can at least type proficiently if not very well.

Just take your normal 'awesome' and kick it up a notch.
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Ladocicea

I am pretty amused at the outrage this has caused.

To be honest I don't even necessarily consider this to be reaching-for-the-stars in terms of your RP, although of course it can be if your character speaks in a particularly brilliant way. But generally I consider it pretty fundamental that we don't have people running around saying "What's up guys" in a setting that has knights, dragons, swords and sorcery, and so on. It's distinguishable from how you'd talk if you were playing WoW, and that's what bothers me. It feels MMOish.

I'm not asking everyone to talk in the same way, just in a way that's artful and considered, rather than the same as how you personally would speak in every-day life, because at that point I can't help but see the person behind the character and it distracts me from the character itself.

el groso

I'm not being sarcastic or spiteful in any way when I ask this. English is my third language, and I just want to learn what's the appropriate replacement for these, in an informal IC conversation, coming from a youthful friendly PC, towards friendly people:
"Hey"
"Buddy" / "Bud"
"Pal"
"Guys"

Thanks.

Damien

Obviously what Lado was getting at was he doesn't like people who are using it for the sake of being lazy and in effect breaking character at that point.               I would add though in this setting there should be room for the disembodied youths unable to act appropriately due to their culture being destroyed, though I do emphasise the youths only part.

VanillaPudding

Quote from: el groso;357835I'm not being sarcastic or spiteful in any way when I ask this. English is my third language, and I just want to learn what's the appropriate replacement for these, in an informal IC conversation, coming from a youthful friendly PC, towards friendly people:
"Hey"
"Buddy" / "Bud"
"Pal"
"Guys"

Thanks.

"Hey" is completely acceptable as it's nearly a thousand years old and has not changed meaning. The second two and the third refer to a friend, companion, or colleague of sorts.  The last could be replaced by many things depending upon the reference.

   You might say "Hello travelers" instead of "Hey guys" if you stumble upon a group of people you don't know too well, and I believe that such circumstances are what may have sparked this thread in the first place. "Hey guys" somewhat appears like you are greeting the OOC group of players / friends rather than the characters themselves.

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Anthee

I think Lado's point is valid, even if it's a small gripe, as said. It's not about some individual expressions, it's about the general impression you give with the words you choose. A few lapses here and there don't break the immersion but consistent anachronisms will do that. (And I think it's fair to speak about anachronisms here because FR quite obviously is mostly based on medieval times / early Renaissance, as are most other similar fantasy worlds.)

I do hope, though, that players and DMs who pay attention to this issue remember that there are quite a few non-native speakers of English in the playerbase, even among the DMs as a matter of fact. I assume there could also be some relatively young players here whose understanding of what counts as an anachronism may be limited. In both cases, you simply can't expect the same level of emulation of past English dialects, of all things, that an educated English-speaking person would be able to accomplish.

That said, I wish people wouldn't treat bringing up this issue as an absurd joke. None of this is ridiculous in the least. It's difficult for many reasons, some of which Lira brought up already, but if done properly, it really does improve the level of immersion in EfU.
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Bearic

Quote from: el groso;357835I'm not being sarcastic or spiteful in any way when I ask this. English is my third language, and I just want to learn what's the appropriate replacement for these, in an informal IC conversation, coming from a youthful friendly PC, towards friendly people:
"Hey"
"Buddy" / "Bud"
"Pal"
"Guys"
 
Thanks.

Neighbor or Kindred might work, I've been using Comrade myself. Don't know if that's better, but there's a feeling I want with it.

Ook

What about "friend"?

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Dillusionist

American colloquialisms, provided they don't reference non-existance things, don't seem anymore out of place than pseudo - cockney, irish, german, slavic, etc. accents that people use to represent the way their character speaks. I would expect this more-so in an outlandish city like Sanctuary where culture and slang have (probably?) deviated from Faerun over the centuries. I remember playing Dragon Age and being really taken with how the dwarves sounded like sleezy sheriffs out of a western, rather than scottsmen. Unless the goal is to be George R.R. Martin and create Europe all over again I don't see injecting some lite Americana into fantasy as particularly immersion breaking. It can actually be pretty interesting.

I agree with the main point of the post, that there are certain things people just shouldn't say like "jeez" (derrivative from "Jesus"), but I don't see why a street waif from the work-mill can't say "wait up, guys!" Obviously it has the Dickensian thing going, but Sanctuary never really struck me as a subterranean London.