Mist Censors

[Vlaid]

Please don't mention the specifics of how these items work.

That being said, they should probably require a submit/resist prompt much like the old arrest wands or searches.

[putrid_plum]

I think it's far to simple of a tool to uncover a potential spy or cover that a player might have worked very hard to create, ruined with a simple random click.  You could literally just run around and click every PC you see... potentially that it.

Just what I think.  I'd rather have the Order actually do work to uncover their enemies.

[xXCrystal_Rose]

Even if you're not a cultist it's still a hostile action. My character would have certainly declined it, and shoved her spear in the persons throat, except that it was randomly done without a word or a chance to resist and there were npcs there, then the character promptly walked away after throwing mist in her face.

[Adam]

It is supposed to be ungodly hard to be a H'bala cultist, as you are the harbinger of a change that would kill absolutely everyone in mistlocke. So, if you can die because of a click.. don't chill near people who can lol "click kill" you.

[xXCrystal_Rose]

The censors are basically like spamming Detect Evil, if being evil were a permadeath worthy offence, and if there was no way to block it.

[Caster13]

You could literally just run around and click every PC you see... potentially that it.

The censors are basically like spamming Detect Evil, if being evil were a permadeath worthy offence.

Except as the recent DM discussions/rulings have indicated such isn't a proper use of the censers.

[Valo56]

No one outside the Order has much faith in these censers (with an E, not an O) and it has been shown that most people come to the defense of those accused of Malevolence. Why are we complaining about this? It's just like the Detect Evil suggestions, and can be summed up into this:
No one else can see that the person is evil, so when some weird guy starts shouting at them for being evil, people are more likely to come to the aid of the guy accused than to the guy accusing.

"Why is he a H'balan cultist?" "I saw it in the Mists..." "Oh.. well, we'll keep an eye on him."

Also, some of your suggestions are already implimented.

[Disco]

Adam you really shouldnt be telling other people where to be chilling ;)
Personaly I like the idea that the order has means to detect evil. BUT the fact that it can be used so "freely" Bugs me a bit. Atlest have a "resist/submit" dialog option.

[Pentaxius]

I suggest Adding 10% chance of false positive, and 10% chance of false negative to this item.

[putrid_plum]

Not all cultists might be OMG RAWR DEATH TO ALL KILL ANYTHING THAT MOVES, some might have plans or be you know not an utter retard.  If there is a sort of ruling thats great BUT I have a feeling it will still be used that way unless it's mechanically altered.

[Caster13]

Not all cultists might be OMG RAWR DEATH TO ALL KILL ANYTHIGN THAT MOVES, some might have plans or be you know not an utter retard.  If there is a sort of ruling thats great BUT I have a feeling it will still be used that way unless it's mechanically altered.

Right here.

I agree that a "Allow the Mist to waft over you" / "Step away from the Mist" prompt on the censered may be a good idea.

[XS3]

The censers are a wonderful RP tool. They just need to be used with consideration and wisdom.

[Witchcraft]

To address your concern though Witchrcraft, the H'balan PCs know what is up from the start. EFU is hard and H'balan EFU is EFU Hardmodex150.

"Knowing what's up" isn't quite applicable here. If Order PCs are allowed to spam these things on anyone they please, playing a H'balan cultist goes from exceedingly difficult to flat-out impossible. I had no idea about these things or what they were until one was used on my PC without my consent, no opportunity to refuse, no declaration of hostility, and the absolute bare minimum of roleplay beforehand. It was literally, "I want to use this thing on you," then it gets stuffed in my face before I even have a chance to react. Not cool.

I'll just say this right now, if it happens to one of my PCs again you should get a DM first because there will be PvP. Forcing someone to unwillingly breathe some strange Mist-substance is prima facie evidence of an intent to poison them and they have every right to react accordingly. If your intentions are honorable then you should obtain consent first.

I think it's far to simple of a tool to  uncover a potential spy or cover that a player might have worked very  hard to create, ruined with a simple random click.  You could literally  just run around and click every PC you see... potentially that it.

Just what I think.  I'd rather have the Order actually do work to uncover their enemies.

Agreed 100%.

[Valo56]

Mainly one person in the past was going around using it at random with no warning beforehand. I try to give warning, at least one or two emotes. If you don't want someone using it on you, back up when it's clear they're going to!

[Weaverific]

All order players,  we should likely stop discussing the actual mechanics of the censers. Many of the assumptions posted by folks(order and not) in this thread on how they work are wrong,  but in our case, by giving details we may be spoilering IC secrets, even if some of my fellow ordermen posted mechanically false information without knowing that!

One Orderman was using it without any warning, but the rest Ordermen treat it as a quasi pvp,hostile act.   How about a little faith folks?