Lower Level PRC's.

[Kiaring]

Just to clarify, would this make it possible for characters who don't have a build with the pre-requisites but are already of a certain level (like, say, 7) to take a PrC they would otherwise be unable to?


An example:

Johnny the mercenary is a rough and evil man who finds redemption for some reason or another when he is level 7. Upon finding in the teachings of Helm the true calling of his life, he begins to live according to tenets that essentially make him a Divine Champion (and thus the player applies for the Divine Champion PrC, concurrent with earning the IC prestige for approval by DMs)

Johnny has none of the PrC's mechanical requirements, but when he reaches level 9 Helm somehow grants him the privilege of fighting in his name, and so he's able to take a level in that PrC.... Or not?

Naturally it'll depend on the new requirements as set forth by DMs, but would this be possible, is what I'm asking, in simple mechanical terms?

If so, it'd make PrC's a LOT more about prestige and a lot less about mechanics. Which is not only awesome, it'd be one of the greatest - and best - changes ever brought to EfU.

[Gippy]

Yes, Kiaring. All requisites can be removed.

[Halfbrood]

This would be incredible.

[petey512]

For it. Suffice to say, I am also growing tired from trying to get the requirments for prestige classes IG AND mechanically.

Also the assassin class is going to be hard to get anyway. You have to kill people for money. No-one on here has the guts to get a bounty put on their head if they're weak in pvp, and people rarely put up bounties for all to see. If you want to fullfill the requirements you'l have to be high level, or kill  a lot of elven wizards..

[Daemonic Daz]

I look this idea alot, we might actually some decent sorcerer/RDD about!

[ScottyB]

We could either: remove all mechanical prereqs, OR change them. I, personally, am more in favor of changing them.

I would be highly resistant to removing all of an Assassin's mechanical requirements, or all of an Arcane Archer's requirements, both because these classes WILL get mechanical advantages intended for higher-level characters, and/or because they should have certain qualities (like bow focus) so they can make sense as prestigious members of their class.

As an example, Divine Champion currently requires 7 BAB and Weapon Focus. I think we could drop the BAB requirement and make it just Weapon Focus (with an RP constraint being that it's the deity's favored weapon).

This should probably be accompanied with clarification for the RP requirements of the class, as well. Divine Champion, especially. FWIW, I would veto Johnny the Born-again Helmite if I was still a DM.

[Listen in Silence]

A must-be for an rp server, in my honest opinion.

[Luke Danger]

I support this, at the very least lower the requirements to be more fitting for this server level range. As long as they're putting time in for IC requirements, I think they deserve it, as long as they are reasonably within the mechanical requirements (So for example, not even anything close to whirlwind attack (not even dodge or expertise) wouldn't get Weapon Master)

[Prometheus]

It would also make it possible to be a wizard/shifter, which is what the class is best for, honestly.

[Underbard]

If you get ganked by a level two pc, they deserve the assassin prc.  But on a serious note, for most prc's, by the time you earn them, you won't gain enough levels for it to shine, therefore, I agree with the lowering of the standards set by NWN.
  Of course, even before you gain the prc, you should be rp'ing as if you already had the class, or are at least  "in training", so I don't know how much effect it would actually have.

[IxTheSpeedy]

This would really make for some new interesting concept ideas.  I for one have wanted to make a divine champion before but it was completely out of reach.  I've never made it past 8th level and then only stayed there for a millisecond both times...  

If balance is the idea then you could add a restriction or two to the prc's, maybe restrict a weapon master from using heavy armor, something like that.

[tooh]

Will be All classes allowed ? lvl 1-5 common and 6- any?

[ShiftingAllegiances]

Sounds like a good idea, if it is easy enough like NC said. I also agree with Scotty that changes should be made. For example, I don't think assassin needs to be changed or shifter. Now Prom mentioned wizards being able to take shifter, if you wanted to remove the restriction of needing to be druid first, sure but the lvl req should definitely stay as is. I don't see anything wrong with the feat either. AA should be kept a little closer to its current lvl requirement but the rest seem fairly decent. I suppose maybe Weaponmaster could use a reworking since you can't currently get it at starting at lvl 6 anymore.

[9lives]

Given the choice, I'd be more in favour of changing them rather than removing them.

Though I'm dubious as it is.

[Caddies]

Although still undecided, some classes will most definitely need to keep their requirements. AA, Weapon Master and probably Assassin. They will be far too powerful otherwise (Arcane Archers getting +4 arrows, every Weapon Master with 10 round haste/once day and probably Ki Critical too, etc).