Lower Level PRC's.

Started by Cruzel, January 01, 2009, 10:57:53 AM

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Cruzel

TL; DR Version;
 
It's possible to remove all the prerequisites for Prestige classes, so they can be taken at level 2. (you still need at least level in a base class) PRC's have all kinds of cool abilities, most of which we will never see because you can't start taking (most) PRC's till around level 8. Since PRC's are app only anyways, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
 
 
 
 
 
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TBH alot of the real sweetness of a PRC doesn't really get tapped into, unless the PC can get to like, level 10-12 (Which rarely happens) I think a lot could be said for awesome opportunities to allow PC's to fully develop as a PRC. I am not saying they should take the PRC as soon as they hit level 2. There is still the system where the DM's need to approve the PRC. This leaves two options open; Etiehr the player proves their awesome ICly without questing, or a (pretty simple) script is added to allow the PC to relevel and replace their current class (keeping at least one level in the base class) with the PRC.
 
I am not saying to completely remove the mechanical requirements ( for the most part,), but make it so you do not NEED to have them to start advancing as the PRC. I think anyone who is approved for a PRC can be trusted to advance feat/skillwise as they normally would have if they were still required, but this gives them the chance to really shine as something unique rather than just some oteher lame fighter/rogue/PRC barb/barb/PRC or whatever else lame multiclass you can think of.

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Egon the Monkey

Yeah, agreed.
A lot of PrCs require 6-7 levels in a fighter BAB progression class to get enough BAB to take them at EfU levels. I'd love to see Rogue/Blackguards, Cleric/Divine Champions etc.

Some classes have been changed so they get new useful abilities, but others for example Champion of Torm, seem to just be for adding flavour to the PC than to be a useful class with just one or maybe even 2 levels.

Gippy

I agree that it should be about the character, and not the requisites.

ScottyB

This is do-able, but then anyone who wants to take the PRC will need an override, AFAIK. Not a huge problem, as you already have to app for it.

I'd rather see the prerequisites lowered, not "removed, with expectations on the player." Partly to prevent people from applying to start characters with a PRC level, and partly because a character shouldn't have a prestige class unless their character is at least partly capable of being prestigious. Also, while I'm not savvy about class level progression unless I have the wiki up, I'm sure there are some PRC feats that would be imba for lower-level characters, but are more acceptable if taken at level 5 or 6.

Being able to, say, "respecialize" your character if you're approved for a PRC several levels after you meet the requirements? :o~
That's a suggestion for another topic, but that's the one kind of respec I think might be acceptable on EFU:A.

Nuclear Catastrophe

I would be for this if it was easy enough to do, totally.

Kiaring

System should always be second to story.

I'm all for changes that would make it possible to play your character with fidelity, while being able to develop him in a new and interesting way.
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ScottyB

Easy as pie.

Step 1: Decide new requirements for each class.*
Step 2: Tell me what those are.
Step 3: ???
Step 3: Have Snoteye or ExileStrife check your email in 2 to 5 days. They will know what to do.

[SIZE="1"]* I can do this, too, if you want, and run it by the DM team for approval.[/SIZE]

Garem

I would support this, except for the following:

Assassins. Death Attack is insanely good at this level range. There is no reason to empower it further, in my opinion.

Shifters. Hard to get anyways, but relatively low level PrC.

Gippy

It's hard enough to earn the assassin PRC at level 5. I will be impressed with the level 1 that manages it.

Jayde Moon

Quote from: Garem;102859I would support this, except for the following:

Assassins. Death Attack is insanely good at this level range. There is no reason to empower it further, in my opinion.

Shifters. Hard to get anyways, but relatively low level PrC.

Along this line (sort of), I think if something like this were to be done, Make PrCs available (for those who app) at character level 5.  The first four levels should be standard classes, but at level 5 you can begin your PrC.

Removing pre-reqs is too far, imo.  But changing the pre-reqs so that avalability at level 5 is do-able, for example anything that needs a BAB of 7 changes to BAB of 4.  Things that take up a fighters full complement of feats til level 7 should only take up their full complement of feats through level 4.  Max skill requirement would be 7 ranks.  Etc.

ExileStrife

Shifters would have to be rebalanced for sure since their higher level abilities assume a higher level character.  I have a feeling a number of PrC's would have to be re-looked-at for similar reasons, but that's not to say it's a bad idea.

Random_White_Guy

I agree with Jayde.

A Dwarven Defender required level 7 for the class, and at level 9 (Which, while the highest level i've seen on EFUA) Takes a fair amount of time to get to.

Many of the PRc's best perks are made for a server that allows a very high level range, and I feel that the perks should be adjusted to fit the lower level range
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MisterPAIN

Quote from: Gippy;102860It's hard enough to earn the assassin PRC at level 5. I will be impressed with the level 1 that manages it.

Especially since people are supposed to start at level 2.  Granted that you could hold off leveling but that seems a bit metagaming.  It would be funny being the target of a bunch of level 2 character wanna-be assassins to get their prestige class.

madaket

this suggestion is particularly appealing so as to amend really awkward/inappropriate feat requirements, like the PDK, Shifter, and Weapon Master.