Racism in EFU (Discussion Phase)

[ScruffyMcSmirkalot]

(Organizational note: This forum is only for mechanical changes. Where's the player forum on documenting expectations concerning roleplay? Feel free to move this should a better place exist for it.)

Racism, as quoted from "Word of god":

In the real world, I think it is important to behave in a tolerant, respectful, non-racist, non-prejudicial manner. Making judgments about other people due to their ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, etc. are not good things to do.

EFU is not the real world.

The terms "racism" or "speciesism" should really not ever be used IC'ly. These are words that should not really have any meaning whatsoever in EFU and serve only to break immersion. It makes me cringe. Would a character call Trenada... a fascist?

It is incredibly easy and frankly potentially rather bland to play a character that acts as our enlightened selves, and does not incorporate a degree of realistic prejudice.

I don't think every character, or even a majority of characters, should necessarily have strong opinions about people from Chult, or Calimshan, or Thay, or Cormyr, or whatever. But it's fine and even good if they do.

But I do think it is important that a majority of characters have some kind of strong feelings and assumptions about other races (i.e. elves, dwarves, etc.).

Maybe elves are wondrous creatures to be revered and admired, or maybe they're a dangerous threat.

Maybe you respect halflings for their orderly and good-natured societies, or maybe you've met too many pesky lightfoot adventurer-thieves and distrust all of them.

And so on.

Maybe even you're playing a high-wisdom PC with a lot of experience meeting different races and inclined to judge individuals as individuals, but if so this should be a part of your concept and be somewhat rare.

In light of this post, I'd like to promote The Order of the Shining Hammer as an example of a good pc-initiative that successfully incorporates fresh, non-bland points of conflict. And although I fully expect demi-humans/nature-based PCs/druids/etc. to oppose their actions, it would be disappointing if players use our enlightened perspectives as basis to oppose their "racism" because it's "ignorant."

Let's adapt this into a blurb or guide for players both future and current. What else do you guys think needs to be added to this. I think it needs to address that the player should expect that their character would have encountered similar racism from their homelands.

Other thoughts? or those that feel like taking a crack at it? If not, I'll go ahead and take a crack at it myself.

[Aethereal]

The sub-forums found in the Realmslore already describe well the race relationships for all the subraces and I do not see this needing expansion. Though perhaps it should well be highlighted that this resource exists.:

Common Folk of Faerun.: Details race relationships for seven major human ethnicities along with the same for the other races and their subraces.

Uncommon Folk of Faerun.: Details race relationships with the rarer races.

Both of these make a fine general guide for character concepts. Though there are always twists and other background stories that may adjust how the character will treat others, be they a fellow of their race or otherwise. And most of all, do not forget to allow for character evolution after arriving upon Ymph.

[ScruffyMcSmirkalot]

Aethereal: Excellent point, though I think it does need to be highlighted, as this has supposedly become a common enough trope amongst many players, and it's found to be in conflict of the setting. Sure, there's some racial tension in Forgotten Realms, but you don't read explicitly about the formation of lynch mobs, or barring a particular race to a certain ghetto of the city.

I will say that in the PnP games I've setup with my friend, I've had to more or less address things like Racism, Natural Rights, etc. with each new player before they start. It generally needs to be pointed out to them that the world they're playing in does not encompass modern ideals, and that while they may exist in some form or another, they certainly don't exist as we understand them today.

This is more or less setting the tone for the campaign setting. If we were to put EFU on a scale, with Forgotten Realms on the left end of it, as a light fantasy setting, and Warhammer Fantasy on the right, as a very gritty fantasy setting, then I'd say EFU lies just a bit left of the middle.

EFU is grittier than Forgotten Realms. If Racist ideas existed in the Forgotten Realms, then Racist actions exist in EFU. Where in the Forgotten Realms, there might have been wars between kingdoms that were composed of peoples that were primarily different races, EFU could easily have people calling for genocide of another race of peoples in and outside their kingdom.

Would you agree, Aetheral? Or anyone else for that matter?

[Nights Bane]

Charicature.

We play charicatures of what we wish, or would never wish to be in real life.  The setting is kind of irrelevant, its more a case of 'Art imitating life'.  The example of Trenada being a fascist made me laugh hard, probably because I have a perverse sense of humour.  

Nobody truly gets hurt in EfU! If you compare Trenada to a real life despot, such as Robert Mugabe or (Reluctant to type this) Adolf Hitler, the main and essential difference is that REAL people get/got hurt.  

I'd like to add, I once roleplayed 'too' truthfully when my wildling referred to a chult'an as a painted man.  The player was greatly hurt by this, OOCLy, so i think there is a sensitvity that we as players have to take into account.  

I would like to add, I'm not a racist, in fact... some of my best friends are half-orcs.

[Crump]

I have no problem with in-game fantasy racism or hatred being displayed.

When it's done using real world cultural terms and racial insults then I do have a problem with it. If someone starts calling out or emoting things in the fashion "like a jew" or "a greedy gypsy's smile" then that is real world racism, not fantasy hatred.

[Porkolt]

Several posts deleted. This is not a discussion forum. Head back to that thread in the main forums everyone's spamming, or use #efucompendium.

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