H'balan Vines: paralysis stopped by PfE?

So What If I Am A Goblin? · November 24, 2011, 11:27:41 PM

I am unsure this is a bug, but it is both confirmed by Sponduli and Magister, so it might warrant looking into. The DC versus poison save is there, and if PfE stops it, it means it's a bug.

Tinker Tom! · November 25, 2011, 01:11:53 AM

Not a bug because it's a paralysis which mind spell immunity protects against

TheImpossibleDream · November 25, 2011, 02:15:22 AM

Paralysis is not mind effecting tinker tom. Only the spells Hold Person and Hold Monster which cause paralysis are considered mind effecting spells, all other sources of paralysis are covered only by "immunity to paralysis"

VanillaPudding · November 25, 2011, 07:15:33 AM

I don't recall PFE blocking this at all, but if it does I suppose it's a bug and the creature should be BUFFED to fix it. However, their AB might be a bit high if this is buffed.

Wrexsoul · November 25, 2011, 09:39:25 AM

If this is fixed, then the complaints raised against these creatures in the Suggestions thread are again valid. (Let's not start that discussion here by the way! I'm just pointing out that this'd remove one of the checks against this thing being overpowered.)

Johannes · November 25, 2011, 10:59:48 AM

No, paralysis is mind-affecting. It just never worked with the old creeping vines since they weren't evil! H'bala's creeping vines are on the other hand. Possible to fix, but the effort entailed wouldn't be justifiable.

Tinker Tom! · November 25, 2011, 12:27:06 PM

As Johannes clarified, paralysis is indeed mind-affecting.

What's different (because it's scripted differently here in efu) is that Hold Person/Monster is now up against mind-affecting saves instead of raw will saves (so the saves accumulate if you wear items with both +1 will and +1 mind affecting). All other paralysis spells are up against Will saves and not against mind-affecting saves.

[Edit: or yeah, fortitude saves]

So What If I Am A Goblin? · November 25, 2011, 09:26:01 PM

The save here checks against Fortitude and Poison saves, not mind effecting and will.

But yes, Not worth the effort entailed. Creeping Vines aren't that scary though, if you aren't going to pop a fortitude potion when you go explore withered lands, you deserve what you get for being cheap!