Trials - Executions

[el groso]

To avoid having to be around for long and boring trials, RPing on something that you know will just end with your character's death should be optional. I suggest that it should be given the option to just emote [and then he was trialed, judged guilty and executed], so players who have life outside the game and don't have all the time in the world to play, actually spend his hours on a character that he at least hope will get somewhere or have some development, opposite to have to log and emote his own trial/execution for hours and hours, sometimes days, waiting to find out his fate, just to learn he will lose his char anyway.

[WIZURD]

I think you should play it out because something may be planned >.<

[Random_White_Guy]

I agree 100%. As someone who often plays a criminal there is nothing more tedious and painstakingly annoying than being arrested on capital crimes.

No other criminals to RP with usually. Nothing to do. Stygian PCs you have never met stop by to gloat at you. NPCs. Etc. People often say "LOL HEY DON'T WORRY WE CAN BREAK YOU OUT", but in reality there has been maybe one or two jailbreaks recently, if at all.

I can't even count on both hands and feet how many times I've been beaten down by a lawman and just asked them to kill me in the streets instead of arresting me.

It's rather quite annoying, detracts from RP, removes fun from the server, and is overall bad I think. A new system would be 100% welcomed.

[putrid_plum]

I have seen many criminals let free for crimes they should of been executed for.  Just stick it out if you want to or quit the PC in the cells and log in for your execution.  It's simple to me, if you want the chance which has more than a few times, allowed guilty people to be set free for various reasons... wait it out.

[Blue41]

Mmgh. Varies.
 
Been arrested on capital crimes three times with my Talosian. Twice, gotten away with it scot-free. Last time, well...
 
I did laugh at the idea of trials being boring. Trials have been non-existant for some time, really. Trials determine innocence or guilt, and when a PC's arrested, the verdict is usually a foregone conclusion.
 
Still, with the current system being quite similiar to a time-out...yeah. A change would be nice.

[TheImpossibleDream]

Trials? Boring? i love them from both sides. Most of the time my criminals end up being destroyed outside of the law so i miss out on this fun way to go.

There already is an option to skip trial and get executed, its called pleading guilty.

[Capricious]

Well, most trials are done pretty much on the spot. The main reason they get delayed is for reasons such as the player on trial needs to log, or perhaps it's necessary to have someone online to finish it. But I've found this to be fairly uncommon, and the matter gets resolved pretty quickly.

[Drakill Tannan]

I agree. Not that it has ever happened to me, but i imagine it must be a pain. If a DM is present the player to be executed isn't necesary one just needs to ask the player to write a line for his character on the moment he is to be executed, if any, retire it and then create an NPC copy of the PC, go to the top of the zig, say the line, if any, and be executed. If a jailbreak is to be atempted, then the PC has a chance of getting free so it's worth remaining.

[VanillaPudding]

This isn't modern day and trials are not only boring, but hardly make a ton of sense. Arrest them, make a judgement, and do it. However, I think that people should learn to use some more options besides FULL DEATH EXECUTION atop the ziggarut just to act like they did something amazing. Make them slaves, sell them off, and profit for your colony / faction instead.

[12 Hatch]

There was an IRC conversation about this before, and I think there's a note worth noting.

There are obviously times to execute for a crime.  But there is no OOC-courtesy difference between a Ziggurat execution and an alleyway murder.  They are both an FD, yet only one has a fancy dress suit on.

So I would suggest that, on a case-by-case basis, it be considered whether a lawful murder (essentially what an execution is) is the best choice.

Especially considering the overabundance of mercy given by a lot of recent villains!

[Semli]

El groso - sorry you had to go through all that for an FD. You played it well despite how it all went down - serious kudos. If you keep kicking the beehive called EFU like this you will be running this joint before long.

Part of the deal with trials (and yeah, they're boring) is that lawful PCs can't really just haul off and back alley punish/kill people right off hand and still consider themselves real law abiding. A little more pomp and circumstance is required for the PC. It sucks when it gets really dragged out for whatever reason but most of the time its done with the hope that the losing party will survive for story building purposes. When FD is the obvious end state, matters should be moved along a bit.

Slavery is an interesting idea because it offers the opportunity for other PCs to save that character, if he happens to be popular/useful. Off hand I really don't have an idea how to go about it though - the PC would likely get bored while I clumsily tried to research through trial and error who I could sell him too. Unless I had specifically got ahold of a cooperative DM in my timezone ahead of time, discussed who would realistically buy this guy, and managed to actually have these events go down when said DM was online, I really just see that turning into a drawn out mess. I'd like to see a DM chime in on that before I seriously consider it as a valid PC ending option.

PC slaving is kind of messy, evokes a lot of emotions in both parties and seems to rarely work out in any sort of mutually satisfactory manner. I believe there is a lot of potential for fun here if people are creative and cooperative with it, but there remains a vocal part of the playerbase that is not interested in this in the least, understandably so.

[12 Hatch]

Since this is a suggestion forum, I'll put forth a suggestion for this!

Instead of an FD, a criminal is sentenced to having an explosive collar sealed around his neck until such time as he has worked off his sentence (assuming a flat-out FD isn't warranted).

If he dodges out, kaboom!

I think a lot of law enforcement PCs are quick to execute because they know, failing that, the criminal will just regroup and come back stronger and more slippery than ever!

[Porkolt]

Bring back magistrates, and have players apply to play PCs that are able to deal with trials in a way that is both fun and quick.

[Warren Oates]

If you play a criminal and get caught, in my opionion, one of the things you "pay" for it is to get a trial and very possible execution, choices and consequences, especially if you have FD'd/murdered someone.

[12 Hatch]

But your notion of "paying" is an OOC one, while the notion of "criminal" is an IC one.  Nothing OOCly renders Stygian law any more or less legitimate than Johnny's Ruins Gang Law, so your character isn't OOCly a "criminal".

That's where the disconnect in that logic occurs!