Allows Sorcerers the Divinition perks

[Coldburn]

http://www.escapefromunderdark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52987

It started with this bug report. A tl;dr Wizards took (Greater) Spell Focus: Divinition as an easy way to get improved Divinition spells. Now the DMs have made it so that only if Wizards take Spell School: Divinition, barring them from using Illusion, they get these benefits.

And that's a good chance, I'm not arguing that.

Except that it completely shafts over Sorcerers. Playing a Sorcerer with GSF: Divinition, not even having the Feats to take another Spell Focus, I would like to draw the attention to the fact that we gain zero benefits from Divinition now. Or is it only Clairvoyance/ Audience? Well as it is I'm not sure but I'd still like to raise this issue.

Could something be done to allow this for Sorcerers, or if it can't be done could DMs please take pity on Sorcerers who do specialise in Divinition?

And yes this thread if entirely self-motivated.

[TheImpossibleDream]

Double duration see invis worked for my bard.

Didn't get to check personally, but I'm pretty sure akke got the bonus duration to clairaudience, just not the dr on a wizard of his

[Coldburn]

tl;dr give Sorcerers with GSF: Divinition 5/+1 on their CC like specialised Wizards get.

[xXCrystal_Rose]

5/+1 on Clairaudience/Clairvoyance for sorcs would be cool, but from the way this is being worded wizards sacrafice all illusion spells, which of course include the ever handy invisibility, in order to gain that little bit of DR. Maybe it would be more appropriate to suggest that it is simply given to -both- classes with a greater spell focus feat rather than to ask for sorcerers to get it with none of the sacrifice that a wizard must put forth, making this little specific perk spell focus based rather than school specialization based.

Not that there is anything wrong with giving a little benefit for completely throwing away a very useful school of magic. Just putting the cost/reward for both classes into perspective. Wizards lose a whole lot for it, and a sorcerer would lose nothing.

[TheImpossibleDream]

tl;dr give Sorcerers with GSF: Divinition 5/+1 on their CC like specialised Wizards get.

5/+1 is pretty worthless, even extended at level 9 it doesn't last as long as blur, which sorcerers easily have access. Why not just be happy with the huge boost to duration on the two ultimate pvp spells vs people without those feats... You have access to improved invisibility after all.

[SmashingGiants]

5/+1 on Clairaudience/Clairvoyance for sorcs would be cool, but from the way this is being worded wizards sacrafice all illusion spells, which of course include the ever handy invisibility, in order to gain that little bit of DR. Maybe it would be more appropriate to suggest that it is simply given to -both- classes with a greater spell focus feat rather than to ask for sorcerers to get it with none of the sacrifice that a wizard must put forth, making this little specific perk spell focus based rather than school specialization based.

Not that there is anything wrong with giving a little benefit for completely throwing away a very useful school of magic. Just putting the cost/reward for both classes into perspective. Wizards lose a whole lot for it, and a sorcerer would lose nothing.

Big deal. Just pop an invis vial as a wizard.
Not to mention that eventhough you loose out a whole school as a wizard, you still get access to HUNDREDS of spells, where as a L9 Divination Sorc will have the following:

Level 1: 5 spells
Level 2: 4 spells
Level 3: 3 spells
Level 4: 2 spells.

Lol wat?

Level 4 = scrying + feeblemind
Level 3 = claivoyance + @ + @
Level 2 = see invis + @ + @ +@

etc.

You see the pattern? You speak of wizards being LIMITED by loosing illusion.

And yes -> I agree with the OP. GSF'd sorcs should get all the bonuses that Specialist wizards get.

[TheImpossibleDream]

Big deal. Just pop an invis vial as a wizard.
Not to mention that eventhough you loose out a whole school as a wizard, you still get access to HUNDREDS of spells, where as a L9 Divination Sorc will have the following:

Level 1: 5 spells
Level 2: 4 spells
Level 3: 3 spells
Level 4: 2 spells.

Lol wat?

Level 4 = scrying + feeblemind
Level 3 = claivoyance + @ + @
Level 2 = see invis + @ + @ +@

etc.

You see the pattern? You speak of wizards being LIMITED by loosing illusion.

And yes -> I agree with the OP. GSF'd sorcs should get all the bonuses that Specialist wizards get.

It's not about quantity, but quality of the spells available. There is not a single spell with more utility than improved invisibility in the game for example.

Also sorcerers get four level three spells by the time they have two level four spells. They also don't have to prepare spells thus being a diviner sorcerer with the right spell slot choices not only makes you the ultimate ganker, but virtually ungankable.

[Coldburn]

Naga, your arguments are about how the class is.

I simply ask that if I invest 2 feats into a Spell Focus I would like to get the exact same thing the other class gets.

[Drakill Tannan]

I love how you all agree that the "base" level to work arround with a character is level 9. Wich i might add, probably more than one of us has NEVER reached.

[TheImpossibleDream]

Naga, your arguments are about how the class is.

I simply ask that if I invest 2 feats into a Spell Focus I would like to get the exact same thing the other class gets.

So you want to lose all access to illusion spells for 5/1+ dr for X rounds on a single spell? <_<

[Drakill Tannan]

In all seriounsess Naga, sorcerers aren't very strong, hence why they got all the good loot easily avilable, but divination sorcerers are even worse, because SF: Divination does next to nothing compared to what SF: Evocation/illusion/enchantment/necromancy would do, for example, or simply ANY other feat.

That buff isn't OP at all. And would help.

[xXCrystal_Rose]

This is all absolutely true, but GSF does the exact same thing for both wizards and sorcerers remember. The topic is the 5/+1 DR.

 

Now the DMs have made it so that only if Wizards take Spell School:  Divinition, barring them from using Illusion, they get these benefits.

Didn't get to check personally, but I'm pretty sure akke got the bonus  duration to clairaudience, just not the dr on a wizard of his

Showing an example of spell focus without school specialization above, unless I am totally misunderstanding this.

Maybe it would be more appropriate to suggest that it is simply given to -both- classes with a greater spell focus feat...making this little specific perk spell focus based rather than school specialization based.

There isn't really much else that can be said on this topic. All points have already been outlined. The DM team will manage it how they see appropriate, and although this is much cleaner than most suggestion threads, everything that can be said has been said already so just sit back and wait.

[Coldburn]

Bump. Please give GSF Divinition Sorcerers the 5/+1 on C/C as well.

[EfUA_undercover]

Why would they need the DR? They still got access to Ghostly Visage if they want to.

I agree that they should get all the other boni though.

[AllMYBudgies]

Why would they need the DR? They still got access to Ghostly Visage if they want to.

I was considering this, too.

With access to Ghostly Visage, there really is no need for sorcerers to have access to even more DR. I imagine if the two stacked it would be a fairly overpowered combination at the best of times.