Disable Improved Expertise

[AKMatt]

Disable improved expertise for people wearing armor or using a shield, so people can still take it to play Inigo Montoya ripoffs or whatever.

[The Old Hack]

Disable combat. That will end all balance problems.

[Knight Of Pentacles]

This thread should be closed. It reaks of grief and that's all that will result from it. Let the dms discuss it amongst themselves.

[Mailbox Arson]

Well first of all your mad because someone with IE beat you... And ranting about it... There are so many ways to own someone with  IE it's not even funny. So saying it should be not allowed when it's obviously very well balanced seems like rage because you lost in pvp..

I'm not ranting, I succintly listed the reasons why IE is an unseemly feat and should be removed or changed. There was no 'rage' at all, and the PvP as inferred was merely a prompt to post about a balance concern I (and many DMs, and players who actually know what they're talking about - that's not you BTW)  have had for some time now.

I wasn't going to respond to the other uninformed replies in this thread but because you tried so hard to make me look stupid, I did. Resultantly, of course, you now look like a moron.

[BRESTON]

yourtearsgivemepower

[faqir]

It's a pointless feat, imo, and I for one would be happy to see the tail end of it; and I'm not crying at all.

[Seanzie]

I'm not ranting, I succintly listed the reasons why IE is an unseemly feat and should be removed or changed. There was no 'rage' at all, and the PvP as inferred was merely a prompt to post about a balance concern I (and many DMs, and players who actually know what they're talking about - that's not you BTW)  have had for some time now.

I wasn't going to respond to the other uninformed replies in this thread but because you tried so hard to make me look stupid, I did. Resultantly, of course, you now look like a moron.

Your the reason why the close posts.

Yourtearsgivemelife

[Johannes]

If I see further argumentum ad hominem on this thread then I am going to start banning forum accounts. Please stay on-topic.

[Craig210]

In reality, IE is like a on off win switch in most cases, Losing pvp? drop IE and win. Still getting hit with IE on, the games over anyway, the person hitting you is either, better built, or higher level, over before it started.

PVE wise, IE is sticking the middle finger to the spawns. Die in IE on quests, your either unlucky or in need of a better group to quest with.

EFU would be allot more fun without it, but possible too hard for allot of the player base.

[derfo]

IE is pretty silly, but it is a two feat investment and easily countered.

[The Beggar]

TLDR: I got owned in a duel by a guy with Improved Expertise today which reminded me how much of a dirty, wretched feat it really is.

Seanzie nailed it. And TBH, you could have walked away and lived. If I remember correctly, you yourself set the FD terms, and had a chance to walk away given to you before the fight!

Your PvP tactics were lacking given the situation and you didn't adjust. Your whole spell set was a one trick pony, and that pony just happened to be cut into pastrami in short order by a character who countered your tactics rather effectively.

It's just like a mage getting the KD and not ever getting off his back before all 40hp are gone. KD is overpower!

Or a mage doing ILS and Icestorm spam, taking out a small group before any can act. Hasted Invis Mages are OP!

Or maybe it's like a rogue popping a trap and rocking the sneaks on you before you even know it, your down. Rogues and high stealth are OP!

I can go on and on.

Edit to add: And I don't think so Craig, it's pretty balanced given the draw backs. -10 to AB, in a hand to hand fight? You are going to be hitting on a 20 only. That means statistically you can beat it, or do any number of other things (which you can discover yourself) to stop that in it's tracks.

I won't go into the mechanics of it here, What you need to do is shift your tactics on the fly--PvP is fluid.

[GoblinSapper]

Are you joking?
 
I've played an IE fighter, it's very situational. It's -10 to your AB. Even if your playing a fullbuffed full ab class, you can only hit spawns on a very high roll. You completly lose your offense.
 
Drinking potions also drops it, making it useless when getting wailed on unless you can absolute tank the attacks. Even then, crits.
 
IE is a brilliant feat for holding a spot when surrounded by mobs. It's a tank feat. It completly removes your ability to apply offensivly, though.
 
It WILL work while held, but only if you apply it before being held. It WILL work while moving, but not free-movement. You have to click an enemy and trust in NWN pathfinding, which is playing russian roulette in your life in a crowded battle.
 
IMP Exp offers no protection from spells or status effects, you can be taunted in return negating over half the AC boost, requires an int of at least 13, requires 2 feats.
 
Just because it served it's purpose doesn't mean anything should be done to it. IMP Exp is a hard counter to brute force, thats all. This is 100% rediculous.

[Mailbox Arson]

The armchair generals who invariably lose all their PvP can spare me the tips.

Anyway, as I mentioned, this isn't a QQ thread at all. I do not mind at  all that I was defeated - I took a gamble with an odd spellset (yeah, I could have rocked dispels and holds, but how boring is that?), it  didn't pay off, such is life. I'm cool with that, really.

The PvP was only referenced as a joke more than anything. This  suggestion of making E/IE to +3/+6 to bring it in line with PnP is an old one and has been a concern  shared by DMs themselves. The whole thread is just a 'reminder' that IE  is still lame (working through holds, blocking touch attacks entirely, etc) and at least IMO should be  disabled until its fixed.

[The Old Hack]

Out of pure curiosity. Let's say IE was somehow deactivated. What would happen to characters that had it? Would they now have a dead feat that they needed to delevel in order to lose and replace?

(I should note, I am not saying this as a protest but rather as a request for information. I do have IE on a currently active character but I don't feel it would destroy her forever to lose it -- I would just be happier if I could at least get something else to replace it.)

[Mailbox Arson]

Ideally they could just use Expertise, but I'm not positive on the scripting particulars.