Caltrops

[VanillaPudding]

I've seen these being used as a radar lately where people toss them near transitions or sprinkle them here and there in the ruins. The problem is that they will receive an alert in the combat log that they are damaging someone and instantly know where this is happening and know that they can buff up and run to that location with a target likely still nearby.

It seems rather silly that this is happening, or even can happen, so I'd like to suggest that, if possible, caltrops are either removed when the person who threw them leaves the area or they have their duration reduced by quite a bit.

[AceOfSpadesX]

I have also noticed this. Second this suggestion.

[Relinquish]

Obvious abuse of mechanics, should be reported and players reprimanded?

[Mort]

Could be fixed in the script so that they dont use the Thrower as the damage dealer and just be like a trap.

[MrGrendel]

I don't use them in this way, and I don't think they should work just like this, but it is nice to see them getting used in semi-creative ways that keep them useful. If they're going to be changed, could they also display a local message in the area when someone enters them, like "Something disturbs the caltrops lying here," or similar?
 
As a bonus, if the thrower is no longer the damage dealer, that would keep them from losing invis, which would be nice.

[SilentSouth]

I have witnessed this happening but i know for a fact it wasn't for that reason, more of a 'middle finger to the dominion' kind of thing, i quite liked the idea of the specific PC 'X' doing this, so i wouldn't always assume it is being mechanically abused.

[ExileStrife]

Having the trap be the damage source would also make it so it doesn't break invis.  For a lot of people I bet that would sound great, but guaranteed damage from invis leads to some exploit-y situations.

[AceOfSpadesX]

I don't use them in this way, and I don't think they should work just like this, but it is nice to see them getting used in semi-creative ways that keep them useful. If they're going to be changed, could they also display a local message in the area when someone enters them, like "Something disturbs the caltrops lying here," or similar?
 
As a bonus, if the thrower is no longer the damage dealer, that would keep them from losing invis, which would be nice.

I don't think that the traps being disturbed is IC knowledge at all.

[One_With_Nature]

The same could be said of any trap used as well. It really down to the person using it to not abuse that. It still should break invis imo.

[VanillaPudding]

Could be fixed in the script so that they dont use the Thrower as the damage dealer and just be like a trap.

I'm not sure if that's correct actually. I believe that if you lay a trap, go invis and someone triggers it, it will still report to you that you damage "someone" for X amount and likely even break your invis.

If not then that could certainly work and would be far better than letting people have permanent alarm spells laying around.

[The Beggar]

Trap damage please. Awesome possible fix for a crappy abusable mechanic.

[Giselle123]

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[JMuzz]

Just kinda randomly throwing this out there. But instead of damage, could it reduce hide and move silently? Kind of as a sort of rogue trap.   That would fix the exploit and make it useful compared to its current worthlessness.

[UnholyWon]

I don't see a need for the change. Caltrops are made as an all propose Rogue/Ranger/Druid tool to guard camp grounds, slow down pursuers, and make yell out in hatred having stomped down on a spike.

RL I've seen grown Carpenters step in a nail and cry out in pain. Perhaps its on the player to properly roleplay the situation and the damage being done while crossing the area.

I don't see it as exploitable but proper use a tool that less to non-effective if changed to a trap.

[MrGrendel]

I don't think that the traps being disturbed is IC knowledge at all.

Why is it not IC to see or hear caltrops being moved around?