Be ruthless...

[lolmagics]

lol

[Kiaring]

Yes, basically that's it.

[Udenbur]

Might be I'm wrong, but afaik you(r side) was the cause of things getting out of hand. The other side has been a lot more lenient on the subdual modes over the history of their characters and faction. I wasn't there, but I found that in EFU:A people show the highest level of courtesy and consideration when it comes to PvP. This single incident inspired by your group killing the man that showed mercy to one of your own just doesn't seem to merit the insinuation that we've grown inconsiderate and OOC motivated.

[Cerberus]

When asked in a tell why my PC was FD'd the player said, "striking a member of the armada is a death penalty". I think were my PC subdued their may have even been one or two stygians that would have spared her life knowing things about her the player that FD'd her didnt know, (behind the scenes ploting).
 
You need to consider that the PC you're FDing may be your bosses inside man (spy). Just because your PC doesnt know another doesnt mean that PC isnt known by members of "your side".
 
note: Amber was almost always put on subdual as soon as I logged in with her, she didnt kill if she could help it, I seldome even quested with her so not to have to kill.

[Kiaring]

Udenbur, I don't think what I'm talking about is the Red/Blue mentality here. I didn't feel slighted, I enjoyed myself during the event in question. I just feel like none of the characters involved got what they wanted in the end, because everyone involved (even my group if you want to put it that way) went on FD without putting themselves in their characters' shoes. Notice I am not talking about OOC courtesy either. This is not the case here.

Notice I am not talking about how we all are OOC filthy meta gamers. I think everything that happened is absolutely justifiable from an IC standpoint, but did not help push or further the goals of anyone involved. This leads me to believe everyone, across the board, could do with feeling their character's feelings, thinking their thoughts, for a single second. This may lead to better outcomes in the future.

Or not, there really isn't a problem per se, in the true sense of the word. Everyone involved took their deaths well, everyone rolled up new characters and got ready to rumble again. In my opinion, though, considering that 'everything is as good as it could be' might lead us to a situation where we are really not afraid to lose our PCs because we can just re-roll. Many of us have been playing this game for years; it finally begins to dawn that it, being only a game, doesn't really warrant any sort of agony, and that 'losing' and 'winning' are concepts dearest to people who forget this is a game (strangely enough).

TLDR: I'm not insinuating anything, man. If I want to call anyone a filthy meta gamer, or an inconsiderate prick, I will. This is not the case. But I think there's room for improvement. Capisce?

[12 Hatch]

There are some situations in which a FD killing is the -only- IC action, and a character has been left no choice in the matter.

So long as FD isn't used lightly, I don't think there's a problem in it being used, especially when a character using it has no choice.

Attacking armed men holding a prisoner may well end up with death in the ensuing chaotic melee.  That's part of the excitement!

[Porkolt]

I'd have thought people would have calmed down over that whole PvP event and drawn their lessons from it by now.

[Kiaring]

A strange characteristic of this community is to jump upon any invitation to a civilized discussion as if it were a 'rant', or a angered accusations. I don't think anyone did anything wrong. I'm not going to repeat myself, it seems people always fall back into the defensive mindset that - correctly - states that no rules were broken and no one got bitter because of what happen. I'm just trying to raise a discussion, with one main question - was that handled the best it could have been? Enough people seem content with the outcome, so I'm going to let it rest.

[Mort]

I think you bring up some good points and that there is always room for improvement.

[Tyrant, The Orange Wizard]

Im a tad new here but I have something to say,
 
With pvp and such if its two opposing sides, People will die alot often. Its not you are safe due to ooc curtosy. The curtosy is that you dont have a meaningless death. You are dieing due to ic build up angers and a "War" one could say between two factions. Now if someone is FD and there are others who were thier allies there, then they have every reason to run off gather more help and serve the just punishment right back to said person.
 
I have had only one char FD and it was an elf who stole,mugged,robbed, and, killed about a year ago and I was perfectly fine to that.
 
PVP is in essance NOT You V them, This is Your player V Thier Players. Note players and yourselfs are not the same unless your a Seventh level human fighter in rl but thats fine ehh I dont judge...
 
So just throwing this out thier so my thoughts how ever not backed threw dozens of connections and weaves of friends, this is what I think on the matter.

[Ordeal]

That seems fair. Each situation is different, and factions do have something to do with that. Just like a monster race is a reasonable cause for FD yet does not always warrant it, so too in certain cases is a faction war more likely to end in FD, but not necessarily. As an outsider from the recent conflict that Kiaring refers to, I can say that it seemed to be very heavy on the FD. However, I can also say that from what I saw there was a lot of build up to that, oppourtunities for either side to take a different approach, and in fact a determined effort from at least one (perhaps both) side to move towards FDing their enemies. In my opinion, that was the right call.

What would be the ideal, then, in a situation like the one that occurred? Whichever option told the best story? Not necessarily. There is a balance between what is fun, what is realistic, and what is good roleplaying or the best story. So then, the ideal would recognize this balance and try to keep to it. I think it's all a game first and foremost, so that should likely come first. If somebody's not having fun, stop and think: is there a way I can meet the other two requirements and still keep the fun? If it's completely unrealistic to let somebody survive (i.e. They have threatened your life, continue to do so after being subdued, and have the means to follow through), you might think it's less fun to finish them off, but it could be the only response. And of course, if you consider how your character would act you can never go wrong. It's not like taking a different perspective, it is taking a different perspective, because ideally your character isn't you with a sword.

Again, as an outsider, the entire situation seemed to progress naturally and end naturally as well. There were unexpected bits, but about the right amount of people died for the amount of danger involved in the whole thing. That is to say, not too few and not too many, but admittedly quite a few. I'm also personally in favour of server-changing events like that, which saw influential people on both sides disappearing from the scene to make room for new characters. There's something very cleansing about that.

[The Crimson Magician]

Hated it when people would just set to FD, personally, because I do think a lot more enjoyment for both sides (Or at least one!) could be had if they RP'd the situation afterwards.

There are some exceptions, though, I digress.

[One_With_Nature]

FD is really an IC decisiion. In some cases it might not be neccessary but i find with most PC conflict at least it will end in a FD somewhere along the line. I think if it feels like the right thing to do IC do it. I have been known to FD a character on first meeting and though that is a great shame for the conflict to grow and create more IG plots sometimes it is very neccessary and you are given little choice in the matter. The only time i would re-consider my feelings about this would be if the circumstances were different because of un-controllable varialbles like bugs etc.

[SelfishMan]

People also should remember, that when they are SD'd, and they keep on with the big mouth, crass talk, spitting out threats with a sword on their throat, it's basically asking for FD.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

People also should remember, that when they are SD'd, and they keep on with the big mouth, crass talk, spitting out threats with a sword on their throat, it's basically asking for FD.

This.