Sexing up Weaponmasters

[Pup]

I think there is definite room for diversity.  Zulfiqar was an odd build for WM, but he rocked it. (I have a sneaking suspicion who played him, but still, it was a pretty great concept)  And who says you have to take a Prestige Class at the minimum level?  I realize we play on a low-level server, but still.

Barehander makes some great points, but in the end, I think everything balances out nicely.  I get the idea of lessening the requirements along with lessening the perks, but I think that just ends up watering-down the "prestige" of the prestige class.

[derfo]

@ barehander

i'm a defeatist because i think i can just make a build around it easily. what ?

i never said if something is too absurd then it can't be suggested otherwise, but such is only my statement on this which doesn't really seem that bad at all to me

i agree on the power/requirement respect but i think it's fine and managable already as are they regrettably needed to an extent

obviously 'diversity' is desirable, but what do you gain from making it more easily obtained? more room to make a build shine as opposed to actually having the prestige of making something that took some slight effort mechanically work?

i don't really think any past two weapon masters on efu have been very similar people, nor do i find it impossible to make any suggested weapon work with any race, bar like greataxe kobold or whatever. sorry

also lol @ what this topic started and then what it has turned into

[TheImpossibleDream]

[Trolling] Naga's guide to making weaponsmaster

Go to Cookie Cutter Build Warehouse, pick up your "Human Fighter/Weapon Master Box Set"

Done.

Don't worry about customizing your character through the character sheet, you can't do much of that anyway so we just filled that stuff in for you. You get to choose your weapon though (if you pick a dual wield type you're going to be incredibly gimped)

[/Trolling]

In case you hadn't guessed it. My main issue with weapon master is the ridicules feat and skill requirements.

I'm a master of a weapon so this means I need feats that have nothing to do with my weapon like mobility, dodge, whirlwind and spring attack, I also need to be intimidating or they won't train me.

If the feats were even related to your weapon of choice like proficiency and focus/specialization  I'd say okay.

The feat requirements as they are not only force you to have a specific set of feats, but also limit your stat distribution drastically. Leaving very little room for creativity save completely destroying any viability at actual combat.

I think from a PURELY MECHANICAL stand point the prc would look better with these requirements:

Naga's Weapon Master Variant:

Requirement: BAB +6
Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization in the weapon.
Power Attack, Cleave
Discipline 8 Ranks.

Plenty of room for customization, only ability point set in stone is strength of 13+ and a skill requirement that actually makes some sense.

[9lives]

Because if I can't go into battle with 18 STR, it's a goddamn tragedy.

[Caddies]

Nice idea, Scrap.

[Drakill Tannan]

I think the stats are meant to reflect the necesairt atrubutes a character needs to have to undergo the training. He can't be retarded, and he must be agile. 13 INT and 13 DEX is not too much when you think of it like that.

Maybe remove whirlwind attack off the requirement list? i heard i horribly bugged anyway. If you remove spring attack as well, there is enough room for a halflng kukri master. As long as we don't count intimidate in.

I say, keep it like that, just remove the 2 final feats and the intimidate requirement

[FleetingHeart]

You all are confusing Build with Concept.

There are a plethora of concepts that could fit to the standard weapon master Build. :-P

[Relinquish]

No 20 Str Half-Orc Scythe WMs Sowwy.

[Drakill Tannan]

I think what they are trying to say, nut, is that it's kinda hard to make a duel whip wielding gnome weapon master.

[AntoninD'Erlon]

I agree, Palemasters suck in a non-melee build and their levels should add on to Wizard levels for necromancy spells.

[Egon the Monkey]

What I'm trying to say is that making a WM based on anything other than STR, non-exotic weapon and the WM feat list doesn't really work. You miss out on Weapon Spec, and KD, Exotic, or any other optional feat unless you're Human.

I would suggest giving Weapon Masters Uncanny Dodge I so that DEX characters are viable without unaffordable multiclassing, and changing the feat list to maybe:

Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialisation, Expertise, Dodge, SF:Discipline.

You should need the 13 INT and DEX not 13 STR. If you want to learn how to be an expert at complex fighting techniques rather than just ME HALF ORC CHOP YOU HARD, you need some brains and grace.

@Nut:
There are plenty of concepts, but they all have to have a reason to wear heavy armor and not dualwield, finesse or use exotic weaponry. I can't recally one WM who wasn't a Human STR build.

[TheImpossibleDream]

What I'm trying to say is that making a WM based on anything other than STR, non-exotic weapon and the WM feat list doesn't really work. You miss out on Weapon Spec, and KD, Exotic, or any other optional feat unless you're Human.

I would suggest giving Weapon Masters Uncanny Dodge I so that DEX characters are viable without unaffordable multiclassing, and changing the feat list to maybe:

Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialisation, Expertise, Dodge, SF:Discipline.

You should need the 13 INT and DEX not 13 STR. If you want to learn how to be an expert at complex fighting techniques rather than just ME HALF ORC CHOP YOU HARD, you need some brains and grace.

@Nut:
There are plenty of concepts, but they all have to have a reason to wear heavy armor and not dualwield, finesse or use exotic weaponry. I can't recally one WM who wasn't a Human STR build.

Most powerful weapon master I ever encountered in nwn low magic was dex based and used a rapier/finesse.