PvP the Bane of General Discussion

[TheImpossibleDream]

In the years I've spent playing efu there is one thing that I have noticed about the general discussion. Almost ALL pvp threads are the results of pvp not going to one or two individuals liking. Leading to arguments, resentment and holier than thou attitudes amongst the player base.

Almost everyone on the forum including myself has fallen into the trap of arguing in these topics lets stop it now!

So simply put, why not completely ban pvp discussion from General Discussion and leave it to the DM's to handle such matters privately? Perhaps in a seperate forum.

I'd add a poll but that would be pretty pointless and I'd likely add some silly troll thing to vote for and vote for it myself.

[derfo]

some people sometime bring up valid points. i don't think it needs to be banned completely or something that rash

[Capricious]

The thing is, when you're new to any PW sometimes you simply don't understand the situation, or the expectations of PvP here. Sure, maybe the forums isn't the best way to handle it, but staying calm about the discussion is key. Things tend to deteriorate when it becomes contentious. Simply put, if you have nothing productive to contribute, then don't contribute and things will go far more smoothly.

[TheImpossibleDream]

The thing is, when you're new to any PW sometimes you simply don't understand the situation, or the expectations of PvP here. Sure, maybe the forums isn't the best way to handle it, but staying calm about the discussion is key. Things tend to deteriorate when it becomes contentious. Simply put, if you have nothing productive to contribute, then don't contribute and things will go far more smoothly.

Most of the topics are instantly contentious. As in they spawn from a disagreement with regards to a subject that very recently happened in game. They will never go smoothly. Take a look at any past topic.

[Capricious]

That's my point though, don't respond. Let the DMs handle it. For things to get contentious it takes two to start the dance.

[Pinefish]

If people have a problem with something that happened, they should be allowed to air it. If its ridiculous, then it will likely be trolled to death but, as with the most recent PvP post, good things may come of it. A lot of people it seems want to see more RP and less FD and so things may change due to the topic and I really don't see whats wrong with that.

Fine, a number of the posts will spawn from specific grievances, but if we can find something in those instances that are seen as bad, or wrong, then I feel it's a good thing. Normally, people don't get annoyed if their PC dies a good death, and, fine, not every PC can have a good death, but if things can be worked so more and more players opt out of FDing until the circumstances and reasons are solid then there are gonna be more happy players, and more prolonged rivalries, both good things.

The general topics whole point is for people to say what they want, and if we're gonna ban people putting forth their honest opinions, they it kind of defeats the point of the forum.

[SkillFocuspwn]

It's ridiculous to go "this isn't always good, I want it banned." people talk, yes it happens a lot of the times PvP goes in a way that some players think bad but I fail to see where this links with any idea that it needs to be banned from the server.

Might as well make a suggestion that we should ban opinions.

[Barehander]

Arguing is never a waste of time. It's what the Internet is for. Do you think I play NWN for the RP? Nah, it's for the server forums. ;)

I generally think there should be no restrictions on what you can post, obviously outside the minimum requirements you agree to upon joining. Instead, DMs can police flaming and trolling by giving temporary forum-bans more lightly. It's never worth it to sacrifice freedom of opinion and expression to prevent a few problems (that aren't really problems, because who doesn't enjoy a good Internet drama).

[TheImpossibleDream]

It's ridiculous to go "this isn't always good, I want it banned." people talk, yes it happens a lot of the times PvP goes in a way that some players think bad but I fail to see where this links with any idea that it needs to be banned from the server.

Might as well make a suggestion that we should ban opinions.

I challenge you to quote one pvp post in general discussion not made by a DM that was productive and not just a cloaked/blatant attempt to label what an attacker did in an instance of pvp as cheating or wrong then I'll agree.

I'm not saying "sometimes" I'm saying 100% of the time. These posts serve as nothing but troll bait, or an excuse to bump post count by saying something that has been said dozens of times before with regards to rulesets, fairness and personal approach.

[SkillFocuspwn]

I won't say you're entirely wrong. Yes, most (if not all) of these types of post are made because of events that have happened, but that does not mean all of these posts are made as a way of saying "X is wrong, look at X doing a bad thing!" Suggestions are made because of things that happen in game, discussions are begun by things that happen in game, questions are asked about things that happen in game.

Yes, some of them are made by people looking to point fingers, but I believe a lot of them are made because dissatisfaction over an incident has raised questions or caused concern with what they believe. And if you're saying they don't have a right to raise concern or ask questions, then there's not really much point in trying to ever improve the server at all.

[Barehander]

Most of what most people say in most places is unproductive and pointless anyway. It's frustrating, but it's the human predicament we must endure for the sake of those few fleeting moments of enlightenment people sometimes have.

[Kotenku]

Banning any type of thread which is conceived with an intention of inciting relevant discussion is a retarded idea.

[Pinefish]

Half of the posts in the most recent PvP thread, even though the thread it's self may have been provoked by recent events, have had valid opinions from numerous players and saying that all of them are just attempts to make various attackers on past characters seem bad is plain insulting. Yes, they will have a personal view on it, just as you have a personal view starting this thread, people have, and are driven by personal views and you can't just dismiss them because you aren't happy with them.

This server is a community for the enjoyment of many and hopefully will continue to be such, and it has always appreciated player feed back. What you propose chokes this feed back and could lead to many people feeling wronged and annoyed, and, in the worst case, leave the server.

You don't have to read through all the rants and ravings, and the valid opinions and views of people if you don't want to but there are plenty of people who will read them and respond, be it helpfully or not and there seems to be no good reason to cut of this line of contact from individual players and the community at large.

[Drakill Tannan]

On the other hand, such threads raise awareness on how PvP is handled on EFU, and serves as a guideline about what is NOT enjoyable in PvP.

[Caddies]

Most people who make these posts are new/unaware anyway and probably wouldn't even know such a thing was banned.