Fixing the Fire Genasi

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

* Ability Adjustments: +2 Int, -2 Cha.
    * Saves: Fire +1, +1/5 levels.
    * Favored Class: Fighter.
    * Favored Alignment: Any neutral.
    * Application: Yes.
    * Level Adjustment: 1.
    * Keywords: fire genasi.



Frankly, this is just wrong. They have an LA of +1 and Sun Elves get pretty much the same bonuses and they aren't even penalized.

I'd suggest removing the LA on them, or adding -10 Fire Resistance. It simply makes more sense.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

Hmm, let me try and give you food for thought.

The Fire Genasi is the weakest Genasi race. And it's favored class is -fighter- despite it gives -no- fighter bonuses.

Air Genasi get immunity to all cloud spells. They and Water Genasi can breath underwater

Earth Genasi are hard hitters, period.

What do Fire Genasi get? A minor bonus on fire save. Wild dwarves get -5 fire resistance as a race. Something here is clearly wrong.

[Gippy]

I love that they're supposed to be arrogant. Yet what do they have to be arrogant about?

[Yalta]

weaker than half-elves, which is saying something

[Equinox]

Fire Genasi should really get soem form of fire resist. maybe even combust 1/day.

Compared to the others, adding both of those wouldnt be at all op.

[Egon the Monkey]

Being *slightly* more likely to duck a fireball?
Heh, Tieflings get better fire defence than they do, and more stat and skill bonuses for LA1.

I'd say Favoured Class Wizard, 5/- Fire Resist, Combust(3) 1/day, Burning Hands (2) 3/day. Makes their INT bonus more useful, lets them really play with fire and worth LA 1.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

I'd go and say....Immunity to Burning Hands and COmbust, and -5 fire resistence. As well as immunity to any fire spells below the 2nd circle.

[Porky]

tbh, Aasimar and Tieflings (same LA) get 5 DR to three different elements and better stat bonuses. In my opinion, all four Genasi are madly underpowered in comparison to almost every other LA 1 subrace. They get an extra feat and an extra skill point set but that still doesn't put them anywhere on par with Aasimar, Tiefling, Duergar Hobgoblin or Gnoll.

At least 5 DR vs. fire should be considered.

[Yalta]

i raised this ages ago and it went nowhere, not sure if things have changed?

[Garem]

Great thoughts, but I do have to disagree with Porky. Immunity to Cloud spells and ability to breathe underwater are two enormous advantages. Done right, they could make your PC virtually unkillable by any PC, and any that tried could be quite easily defeated with a few simple tricks.

Fix Fire, don't worry about the others.

[Random_White_Guy]

Fire resistance of at least 10, Wizard class (Who is more arrogant than wizards?), A spell like ability 1/day, weakness to cold equal to fire resistance.

Maybe also the ability to make campfires without oil. Since, y'know, they know their fire business.

[Drakill Tannan]

Fire is the element of creation, but aslo destruction and passion. Fire genasi should be the most powerful of Genasi, and the rarest too.

+2 INT is perfect, but i would change the -2 CHA to +2. And favored class wizard/sorcerer (Wizard representing creation, intelligence, Sorcerer representing passion, and both as potentialy destructive)

No penalties. IMO. DR fire something like 10-25% inmunity, flame weapon forced to ALWAYS be fire.

Favored alignment... any non-good, non-lawfull IMO.

[lovethesuit]

* Ability Adjustments: +2 Int, -2 Cha.
    * Saves: Fire +1, +1/5 levels.
    * Favored Class: Fighter.
    * Favored Alignment: Any neutral.
    * Application: Yes.
    * Level Adjustment: 1.
    * Keywords: fire genasi.

More than nothing, less than something!

The way I understood it, what makes up for the Fire Genasi sucking mechanically is the fact that you're guaranteed loot for being a total gimp.

[TheImpossibleDream]

+4 int -2 cha 5/- fire. Done!

[Ranek]

I support this post, also would like to add this. In P&P, Fire Genasi gets +2 Charisma, -2 Wisdom ... Described as  "Fire genasi are have a massive force of personality but not the best  sens o judgement." They get the 'fire subtype', which, if I'm not mistaken, can grant you some fire resistance, as well as frost vulnerability.