RP vs PvP

[TheImpossibleDream]

If you zoned into an area you were unfamiliar with there was nothing stopping you from turning around and going back. Its very clear the second you zone into that place that its devoid of life! Sorry it just sounds like a strawman to me!

[Egon the Monkey]

Thief=/=Rogue. For further details, please see this thread, and the class one on rogue. They have been thieves, spies, diplomats, watchmen and merchants on EFU:A. In fact I'd go as far as to say that thieves have been the minority of players with Rogue levels. I believe Horace Greely did have Rogue levels anyway. As for mugging people, how are sneak attacks and the option to hide or pick locks going to be of interest to say, a barbarian thug who prefers hitting people over the head with a dead tree until they submit, and kicking doors down when he wants to steal things?

There isn't a local "thieves's guild" in EfU:A, player ones pop up occasionally and tend to be hostile to people stepping on their turf. Taking a level of Cleric and sleeping in the city all the time will still cause a druid to chug a hot steaming mug of Spellfail for breakign druidic oaths.

[RIPnogarD]

fi... Doesn't matter what I say, clique player is right, non-clique player is wrong. Why bother...

[derfo]

You did wander there and had the option to turn around, simply. I can understand if someone types slow, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that you had enough time to type 'wait'. 'Beaten to death' is sort of an overstatement since you weren't!

But now this is unfortunately out of context since you edited your post, oh well!

[Damien]

tl;dr

[johanmaxon]

No moar invis Gank, da point?

[DangerousDan]

Crying 'CLIQUE' after people disagree with you is bad form. There has been only one person posting in this thread who is a member of a clique, and that is derflaro. And the clique isn't even that good. Sort of like how they put all the disabled kids into remedial classes.

So, all you have here is reasoned debate and argument.

[derfo]

click click

[RIPnogarD]

ok... Can a fighter be a wizard? or a druid? or a cleric? without taking a level in the other class?... NO

If to be able to cast spells a fighter needs a level of wizard, cleric or druid...

Wait, I forget, anybody can be a thief even without levels of rogue..

Ok... How about we say I am a thief (rogue) and I want to mug people. Is it ok to mug them while using a great-sword and still get my sneak attack? Oh, wait... nm, cant do that because their are rules against it. Hmm.. So if I want to be a thief with a great sword and plate armor all I have to do is make a min-max fighter and play him like a rogue, cool. I'll rememeber that for next time.

Sorry, I just wasn't aware of this. I always thought they had character classes for a reason.

[PanamaLane]

Hurt feelings aside, and clique mentality chucked out the window, I want to chime in on the original idea posted just a second...

While I think bandits can be fun and PVP is an important aspect of the game world, I think it gets a little silly sometimes when people "gank" one another without any context. This includes some masked attempts at RP after the fact, which while the other person bleeds to death thinking to themselves "wtf" is just salt in a wound. The best kind of PVP in my mind is the type that is built up through RP over time. The two should almost -always- go hand in hand.

Some characters and players seem to pick fights just to pick them. To many, I think "conflict" on the server has become "PVP". The fun conflicts are the ones that push stories forward somewhere, the best ones usually involving pvp only after a story arc in which both sides know and are prepared. Random ganks are very good at stopping development in its tracks and ending stories before they have a chance to go anywhere.

Over the years I've had a number of players die to assassinations from the shadows. That being said, only some of them really deserved it and knew it was coming. The random muggings, killings, etc are just dumb in my opinion. They end characters before they have any chance to make a difference in the game world. And despite saying "get over it" players feelings do get hurt. I think most of the reason it happens stems from greed of the attacker, be it for the pvp rush, or for the gold/equipment or just the notoriety.

I think the fact that this kind of game play is rewarded and sometimes encouraged by the player base and DM staff is a mistake. I've had characters less then a week old pulled aside and hearts cut out while DM's watched and rewarded the attackers. Was it in their character to do so? Yes. Did it do anything for the game world other then make the attackers rich? No. There weren't even clues left for law enforcement to do anything about it. These kinds of situations don't do anything good and shouldn't exists, let alone be rewarded.

Its a tough balancing act, I suppose, but there is usually a pretty clear line between story oriented conflict and gripers. Don't be a griper. That's just my opinion. Take it for what you will.

[Portal Rat]

What are you talking about? You can play a fighter who goes around beating people with a club and taking gold from their packs. That's stealing, last time I checked. Isn't that what thieves do?

[Portal Rat]

Ok... How about we say I am a thief (rogue) and I want to mug people. Is it ok to mug them while using a great-sword and still get my sneak attack? Oh, wait... nm, cant do that because their are rules against it. Hmm.. So if I want to be a thief with a great sword and plate armor all I have to do is make a min-max fighter and play him like a rogue, cool. I'll rememeber that for next time.

This is so messed up, it isn't even wrong.

[RIPnogarD]

You can play a fighter who goes around beating people with a club and taking gold from their packs.

Give me a break, I never said they couldn't. I said if they do it ALL the time they should take a level of rogue ~OR~ become part of the local thief's guild ~OR~ be harrassed and or killed by the local thieves guild for freelancing.

Why am I bothering, you guys arn't even reading what I write...
[shakes head and walks away from the thread... .. .]

[Halfbrood]

what local thieves guild?

i really don't understand why a fighter can't steal gold. sure he can't pick pocket it, but that's due to class limitations, so instead he beats it out of his targets.

[PanamaLane]

One last point...

Someone like Robin Hood had a whole gang of merry men. He robbed from only -certain- people, who hated him fiercely, and gave the rewards away to a group of people who loved him. This is a story which involves many and pushes ideological concepts and philosophies into the limelight.

Ganking someone who you don't know personally and taking their gold all by yourself or with a few henchman with no loyalties to one another is completely different. Quite frankly, its much less imaginative and fun for everyone but you. This is a shared game world, and while you don't have to make sure everyone else is having fun, I promise you the experience is better when people are.