Elemental wands fix.

[KershofSetic]

Using buffs in the middle of combat is extremely efficient and relevant to this discussion about economic pricing.

[chrijone]

Originally Posted by Relinquish  
Leave the goddamn crafting system alone.

P.S I dont know how to quote. :P

[9lives]

But not as effective as the use of a wand, being my point.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

Splitting potion stacks and using the barter menu in the middle of combat is extremely efficient.

QFT

[Drakill Tannan]

So it was intended?

Since most level 3 wands cost 3000gp, most level 1 cost 600 but the potion prices are diferent, i assumed you simply had missed that.

Guess such wands are supposed to be useless then? If so, just close the thread then.

[Egon the Monkey]

Hmm. As the player of one of the more prolific brewer and wand crafter PCs for a long time.... how the hell did I miss this on Ahmed? O_o

Probably as this is rather redundant anyway. Of all the  wands I made on Ahmed either for personal use or sale,  none of them were more expensive than pots. The L2 wands are significantly cheaper than potions by something like 3-400 gold, the L1 wands are slightly cheaper and worth it for the lower XP cost and weight, plus ability to use on buddies if needed. The only thing then that's strange is the L3 wands costing more than pots. It's  because unlike for L2 spells there's not two tiers of cost, one for defensive buffs (cheaper) and one for offensive spells (more expensive). Furthermore, as every crafter seems to put a way higher markup on pots, unless you make them yourself, wands are always way cheaper.

I'd suggest lowering the prices on some of  the buff spells, but not on Haste or Displacement. The reason being, that a wand of those is already about 1000 cheaper than the pots if you're buying off a wizard, and easier access to those would hand a huge bonus to bard/full BAB or mage 1/full BAB wand users, and UMDers. Although, TBH the only thing that I'd see people buying wands of would be PfElements (maybe).

I'd also like to make an aside suggestion on the L3 offensive wands. Nobody ever uses them as they are a huge investment in firepower that's rarely used since it's very expensive for what it does. Wands of Acid Arrow and Darkness are decent affordable weapons, wands of Fireball ain't. I think that if they instead were made as 5-shot weapons for 500 gold each, they might see use as contingency gear. Mages get a bit stiffed on useful consumables due to the lack of class restricted offensive spell charge drops compared to say, unrestricted potion or buff-casting drops, and the option to have reserve firepower would be handy. Fireball wands would be the same sort of cost as an emergency weapon as a few haste potions.

Scrolls aren't great as it takes a round to read them and half the time your target steps out the AOE or your ally moves into it on an auto move.

[Lulzebub]

I'll give you 13 gp every time you craft 25 potions if we can just stop talking about this.

[derfo]

no way let's make the more practical option 13g cheaper. that totally needs this discussion

[Drakill Tannan]

While i agree egon, about the damage dealing wands being too expensive, if we go there this will go totally off topic.

DMs, a question, Was it intended for potions of protection fomr elements to be cheaper than wands of the same per charge? Or it wasn't but you wish to keep it this way?

[Semli]

I agree with OP, but honestly, no one is touching item crafting unless you find a way to get haste charges for like 10 gp per or something equally exploitable. Just roll up a barbarian and mug people dude.

To be fair though, in previous eras of EfU your posts involving price comparisons of the crafting system likely would have been locked and editted for zomg server sekritz, so we seem to be making some kind of progress.

[Professor Death]

This hardly makes any sense as an argument since potions can be moved around / sold / given to others. Not to mention I don't think I've ever seen a wizard who created a wand like this to buff people with during quests. 99% of wands are probably made on request for people who use them when a wizard isn't around.

Is this wholly true?  I got excited and made a wand of blur and it only works on me!  Not exactly useful for getting the fighters buffed.

[Egon the Monkey]

Wands work exactly as the spell does. If the target is usually self only, the wand is self only. If the range is Short, the wand has Short range and so on.

[Drakill Tannan]

Meaning a wand of blur is usefull only for you, but potions are not. Protection against elements spells however can target someone else, and so can a wand of it.

But this is going off topic. I'd really like a response from a DM.

[9lives]

We're in heavy discussion at the moment, RE: the issue.

[Pup]

If a wand is more expensive than a potion, and you don't feel the need for a wand, then don't buy/make it.

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