Elemental wands fix.

[Drakill Tannan]

Taking into account bottles and wands, a wand of endure element costs 607gp and has 25 charges while 25 potions of endure elements cost 625gp. Taking into acount that potions may be used by anyone while wands only be some, and seeing the price diference is very low, i'd suggest the wand price to be dropped to 520gp (+7 from the bone wand).

Protection from elements has the same problem but worse, 25 potions cost 2375 gold, while a wand with 25 charges costs 3007 gold. I'd suggest this price to be dropped to 2000 gold (+7 from the wand)

Resist elements surely has a similar or same problem, but i don't know the prices. It should be fixed.

[Drakill Tannan]

Slightly off topic, ironguts potions & wands have the exact same problem (and values) than endure elements.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

Hm!

[N/A]

520 for a wand like that is incredibly cheap. Too cheap for a wand.

Don't the other level 1 potions cost around the same? The game goes for the wands (except Shield) If that is the case, then there is no need to change this.

[ScruffyMcSmirkalot]

One should also take into account that a wand weighs one pound, while twenty five potions weighs two and a half pounds.
 
However, I have my own questions about wands in general, and will be making a suggestion on it soon, heh.

[ExileStrife]

And wands can be used on other people, like a wizard who just hides invisibly during quests to buff and heal others.

[Drakill Tannan]

EXIle:
Or trades gives potions to the others, freely. It makes no diference whatsoever to brew potions or craft a wand, except that, in resist elements (maybe) and protection from elements, potions are cheaper. Also, if we're talking about wands, a wizard/sorcerer/bard/rogue w/UMD must be present, with potions a barbarian can do so. Since this spells last for 24hrs or untill used up/dispelled, you can drink them before each battle... of before each quest, or before planning to go on a quest.

  In the case of endure elemetns and ironguts the price diference is extremly small (18 gp), I thought as a general rule a wand with 25 charges would be singnificantly cheaper than 25 potions of the same spell?

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Scruffy:
Are you really willing to spend 632 gold to take off 1.5LBs of weight from your inventory? I have a wizard with 7 STR, and i wouldn't.

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Afro:
Endure element potins cost 20gp to brew +5 from the bottle, meaning 25 will cost 625. The regular wand price is 607. So it's cheaper only by 18 gp. or nothing. Wands should be singificantly cheaper than potions, if 520 sounds too low, 560 maybe would be fine? Ignore the number if you want, but wands must be cheaper than potionm IMO by at least over 40gp at level 1.

[KershofSetic]

And wands can be used on other people, like a wizard who just hides invisibly during quests to buff and heal others.

This hardly makes any sense as an argument since potions can be moved around / sold / given to others. Not to mention I don't think I've ever seen a wizard who created a wand like this to buff people with during quests. 99% of wands are probably made on request for people who use them when a wizard isn't around.

[Relinquish]

Leave the goddamn crafting system alone.

[derfo]

"let's buff or nerf things according to only what we see and never any speculation"

[Drakill Tannan]

So, delfaro, you agree 25 potions of insulation should cost less than a 25 charge wand of insulation? Or are you just randomly trolling?

[ScruffyMcSmirkalot]

Drakill Tannan: I really don't know, as Walther rarely ever buys anything >,>. I just wanted to comment on the weight difference, only because it hadn't be noted yet, and in my case, 1.5lbs can be a very important factor.
 
I have completely no idea what the criteria is for the DM/Devs to balance out craftable wands/potions, and as such, it's hard for me to really make a decision either way. That is, assuming there's a list of criteria that they use for balancing. Are wands supposed to be more expensive or less expensive than potions? (As I don't have a crafter for either, I wouldn't know :P).
 
KershoSetic:
I don't know any wizards that do that, as you say, but I do know at least one cleric that does. At great cost to the player, actually. But they do use the wands as extra castings.
 
And if this spell was changed from the norm, why was this change made?

[ExileStrife]

This is such a weird suggestion

[Relinquish]

Leave the goddamn crafting system alone.

[9lives]

Splitting potion stacks and using the barter menu in the middle of combat is extremely efficient.