Factions rant

Started by Cerberus, October 22, 2009, 12:46:45 PM

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TheWastesAreFrozen

Factions should be used as a tool to further your character goals along and little else. Whether it's DM supported or player driven doesn't really matter so long as they fit whatever it is you're trying to accomplish. If that stops happening while you're in it then you can always leave any faction and move on to something more fitting.

If nothing is fitting then you might need to evaluate your character's goals and see why that is. (Not that it's a bad thing not to fit in a faction all the time, but if you want to and can't then you should take a second look)

Cerberus

I find it funny that ya'll are making a bunch of lame excuses to justify the fact that you are the ones that are members of the cliques. I've been playing D&D longer than most (not all) of you have been alive and NwN for a couple years now I know about level issues and if I just couldn't go with the party and I would NOT be ranting about it if that were the case. I also know it can happen unconciously so if it were once or twice it would be one thing but after the 3rd or 4th time it's not accedental anymore. And I also am not such a moron as to be able to know if certain PC's are on a secret mission or DM event in the Trog or crystal cave or what-not, (NOT).
 
And as far as it be soft metagaming, like I said, though I prefer NOT to do it I'm not dead set against it. But if you are going to do it then include everybody in your faction not just a select few. If you can't, won't or are unable to include everybody in your faction in your metagaming then DONT do it. I know fairness is hard to grasp for some of you but if we all arn't playing by the same rules then the game isn't fair.

politoed_

Where do you come up with these absurd assumptions and accusations? I'm baffled as to how the attempts to involve made by various people before your post seem to be non-existent. Are we playing on the same server, here?

With all due respect, if anything, it seems there's a lot more excuses on the whole being dissociated or everything is cliquey side of the argument. While even if these cliques did exist to the extent you or anyone else is willing to believe, it doesn't change the fact that anyone supposedly in them actively pursues to involve anyone else with what they're doing provided it's acceptable and available. I don't think any amount of years over someone else playing D&D really has an effect on that!

As an addendum, even if these cliques do really exist, people play the game for fun - and if people have fun playing within their respective groups, then so be it - it's not like you're forced to subvert yourself to them or something. You are not at any obligation to be given loot, fun, time, whatever by them - nor vice versa.

Paha

Cerberus, I am in all honesty feeling offended of the way you lay out these issues.

I did not know anyone from efu before joining to play here, except couple from other server where I had seen them playing. I interacted here, have been playing from 2005, and I've made friends OOC during that time. Never though will I choose a character based on the player. If your characters mindset is preferable to mine, of course I want to interact with him.

I see you taking everything people do as personal action, not as their characters action. Frankly, if you want some action and to join the group of others, then go and ask such. "Heard you are going to charge into this gypsy camp. I wish to prove my worthiness, so allow me to join" or what ever is in your mind.

You cannot honestly come here and rant that people are unfair and push you aside. It's life, it can happen, but I don't buy that happening to you exclusive, or that it is happening without a reason. If someone has issues with you OOC, then it's matter of you two, and it surely has not raised it's head without a reason.

TheWastesAreFrozen

Right, I'm sorry you weren't allowed on a quest or something and got all mad about it. I'm not in any clique here and don't give a fuck how long you played DnD. (I'm sure that goes for a lot of people who are going to proceed to troll you now, or maybe me) If something isn't working out IG for you for IC reasons then handle it ICly. If you think you're mistreated OOCly for being such a kind and modest fella then speak with the DMs.

Caddies

Pretty much what WastesAreFrozen said. If you suspect you're being OOCly mistreated/excluded, let us know and we'll investigate. If its IC, then deal with it IC.

Cerberus

Never said it only happens to me. There are others that have felt the sting (some even said so in this thread) but they probably just dont want to speak up to be nailed by all the cliques. Hell there is one person I know that use to feel it as much if not more than me but now defends it because they became part of it.
 
Cliques exsist! They get more RP and questing because of their "soft metagaming" and because they RP and quest together more they end up with more XP, loot and DM attention than those players that dont belong to them and dont "soft-meta".

Canzah

Representin' my clique.

politoed_

It's still misleading to call it some sort of 'sting' that these big bad 'CLIQUES' are victimizing you with. No one OOCly really preys on others to exclude them so they can stay within their clique or something - if they do, that should probably be brought to attention to that player or others if needed, nor do I think because someone else happens to be mislead in the same way that this is even that threatening at all.

While this 'SOFT-META' happens, I have never found it that big of a deal to find someone else either OOC or IC for harmless reasons (though cheating in PvP or whatever is sort of a whole different thing). It's not like there are a multitude of ways to find another player via sendings, running around, asking around, hanging out somewhere, marking a spot, and probably a bunch of other stuff I haven't bothered to think of.

SanTelmo

This is a fairly small community that welcomes new players happily to it's ranks, however learning to know other people personally is different. None here tries to exclude other players from plots/questing/hanging or whatever else except for IC reasons. If someone here does that, which I doubt, he/she should consider that this server is truly small as mentioned and we can't expect to find much more new players in the coming years so better hang with those who we have, get every new player tightly interested and share the fun as long as we can.

And to your point: Yes, cliques exist but most of them are ready to welcome new friends when you learn to know them. These cliques are not made because they could quest and get DM love together rather those have formed during many years of playing time with your friends with whom you want to have fun outside EfuA too. If your character stumbles to them and asks whether he could come for the quest, unless they got an IC reason they most likely take you. When server is low on players, I've multiple times received a tell from a player I've never known that is something like "There isn't many around and I can't find anyone. Was wondering if you're around somewhere and would like to quest or something?". This is fine and as long as the arrangements are made IG too.

Factions usually have IC ways to contact other members about big events and so on and these are not dedicated to single persons only (unless IC reason, once again...). When faction members quest, they do not always go quest together. Faction members are not supposed to be all allies and they have disagreements too.

Personal issues with other players are different. Not everyone gets along with everyone. But I doubt the whole server is full of guys who don't like you and try to stay out of you and your characters. Worried about this? Make a secret account and none knows who you're playing. But I doubt this changes anything else than makes you harder to contact.

Keep it cool.
"EFU is a romance server now" -Vlaid

"Some people just gotta be killed" -Gip

Cerberus

I think this is an awsome PW server and the time and effort in the setting (specially back in EFU) is over the top I love it. I think the majority ot the players are great role-players and IG/IC are cool.
 
If you feel offended or upset about anything I've said here, it's your own guilt causing that, not me. Because quite honestly I am getting quite the laugh out of most of this, I am simply stating facts, I am not upset or angry at all. :p

DangerousDan

i walked one morning to the fair

Halfbrood

I suppose the thread name and consecutive postings don't suggest otherwise.

Lulzebub

I've noticed that people want to hang out with me more when I'm not all whiny and bitchy.

Halfbrood