Stealing

[Lulzebub]

The thing here that I don't like is when there's no way to catch the thief, because the game mechanics really aren't sufficient to see the theft, even with the thief mode. It becomes a no lose scenario for the thief since you literally can't prove a thing.

BERP BERP BERP BERP... ALERT! ALERT!

WEEEOOOWEEEOOO... ALERT!

Everyone needs to know this. There actually is a way in EfU:A to prove whether or not someone stole from you. Anyone can do it, and it's fairly easy to set up.

In your Crafting Menu, there's a little option called Player Tools. Go in there and set Tool Slot 1 to that little option in there called "Search Inventory."

Now, right click on an empty toolslot, go to your class radial, and there should be a little sword icon with some stars around it called Player Tool 1. Put that little sucker on a quickslot, and now you can search other players just like that bad boy Cail Durris down in Sanctuary! No inventory equipment required!

Now, of course, the recipient of your search can refuse consent, or worse, they can still attempt to hide some of what they have in their inventory. But never let it be said again that there is no way to prove theft on this server. There is, and it is awesome.

[Letsplayforfun]

So you find 'something' in the guy's pack. How'd you know it's something he picked up on this quest ro whatever?

If you fear theft of precious items, engrave your names on them.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

Yes, or dye them a certain way.

[Meldread]

Or you can accuse someone of theft and administer a public beatdown.  Then take whatever the hell you want. >_>

[Lulzebub]

So you find 'something' in the guy's pack. How'd you know it's something he picked up on this quest ro whatever?

Use it and see for yourself how it works. It's pretty easy to figure out which quest something came from in EfU:A.

[Letsplayforfun]

Use it and see for yourself how it works. It's pretty easy to figure out which quest something came from in EfU:A.

That's blatant metagaming. Don't do it. Your PC doesn't know what loot there is on quests.

[Cerberus]

Sometimes it's simply a matter of a PC already having X amount of a certain potion and picking up more adds to the stack. I either end up with extra or sometimes even say to hell with it and toss my entire stack because I'm not sure how many I picked up after adding the coins and all other potions and crap. If I accidentally kept something... kinda like wtf, sue me. But for main items it's hard to say I didn't realize I had the holy avenger before I started collecting loot. Umm.. Yeah ya did! you're stealing you should emote it.
I tend to emote things like [Rummages through his pack] I believe thats everything. If people seen me pick something up that I didn't lay dow they can call me on it, if they dont, it's not really stealing. Because if they did I'd RP oh yeah, now I remember and put down the items. Basically I feel it isn't always the PC's fault it's the players fault (either intentionally or unintentionally). So why gig the PC and maybe even effect his class and all that. If ya see it send them a tell or something...
 
So I guess for the better more powerful items, yeah they should be punished appropriately for it but if they didn't toss down 2 potions of cure light wounds give em the benifit of the doubt.

[Enigma]

The Goblins of Gobsquat, while evil, are peaceful and do not threaten the Colony. Is it therefore a Chaotic Evil act to murder them based upon racial hatred? I believe most people would say, "No."
 
Yet, you're clearly killing a peaceful group because you hate them and so you can take their land and other stuff.

But they are still evil, so that means they don't attack the ziggurat most likely because they can't. Therefore, it wouldn't be evil to kill them.

[Enigma]

Such a tax is considered lawful, but evil, Dr. Dragon. Its the right of a ruler to institute such laws. The guards, by upholding this tax to the letter of the law are supporting tyranny.
 
Stealing under such circumstances is still chaotic, but may be construed as 'good' depending on what it is used for.

1. Not every action has to be chaotic, or lawful or whatever. Imposing taxes has nothing to do with alignement. Anyone can do it. You don't have to be lawful or chaotic, but to be in a position of power where you can do so.
 
2. Not all rulers are lawful. I don't understand why this assumption is made. A ruler can be of ANY alignement (except maybe CG). His alignement only determines what he will do with his power: a LE baron will bleed his subjects white only if law allows him to, while a NG will respect or violate a law only if it benefits his subjects, while a NE / CE ruler will impose whatever he wants on his subjects.
 
3. Being lawful doesn't always mean you follow the laws of whatever place you are in.
 
4. Robin Hood type stealing isn't stealing, since he stole from people who had acquired this money unjustly.
 
5. This discussion is useless!

[Underbard]

Robinhood would have to be CG.  Whether or not it was fair to collect the taxes or not, it was law.  Robinhood robbed tax collectors that were merely trying to do there jobs.  Since he gave his spoils to the poor, he could hardly be called evil, if he was neutral, he wouldn't have bothered, therefore, since he wasn't lawful, he must have been chaotic.  Regardless, he was still unlawfully taking something that did not belong to him, the basic definition of stealing.

[Enigma]

since he wasn't lawful, he must have been chaotic.

You forget neutral.

[Drakill Tannan]

I won't mind if another player ICly steals from me. I wouldn't even mind Pick pocket, if it were allowed. But, the player stealing MUST give the others a chance to spot him. A bluff check when they ask, a pick pocket check when looting to represent us "seeing nothing" about the fact he hid the diamond in a secret pocket, etc.


There is a problem though, when you give that chance you risk people metagaiming, you also must establish a criteria before doing the rolls, if another player rolls spot to counter your pick pocket check can you tell him he is wrong and he MUST use search? I dunno, makes sence when he uses concentration to counter pick pocket... but that's extreme, bluff for example, is countered by what? there is no "sence motive" check ig wich makes me think... maybe it should be added as an efuss skill?

Anyway, if you do tell a dude that you are going to steal and you need to agree wich rolls will counter wich, then he simply will loot himself, so game over? And if not, then it could be considered OOC.

If it was i the one being told the other PC would steal, i'd be crying in the inside, but probably would let him, other PCs? i don't have much faith in humanity. Much less humanity i meet over the internet, no offence anyone btw.

[AfroMullet]

Just collect yourself and crush the faces of anyone who touches stuff

[Sedarine]

Just collect yourself and crush the faces of anyone who touches stuff

Though the FroHawk is still > Than the AfroMullet, he does make a valid point.

If you are a badass and collecting, keep whatever you damn well like and if anyone doesn't like it?! CRUSH! And viola! More lewt.

If you suspect anyone has screwed you on loot, take it up IG. I know the engine is a little sketchy, but really...all the tools are there from the player tools to the greataxe of finding out who gankt my loot...where there's a will there's a way. RP and failing that CRUSH.

[Halfbrood]

Skimming sucks. If you skim my loot I will crush you.