Ghostwise Halflings!

[MithrilDragon]

Make them not app-only. Cause, you know, it makes more sense that way.

[Verybigliar]

they don't fit here.

[MithrilDragon]

Of course they do. We're sitting on top of a giant teleporting machine that's malfunctioning and sucking in people from all over Faerun. Everything fits.

[Listen in Silence]

That same argument would work for making drow, duergar and minotaurs non-app. It's desirable to keep the players of these races restricted to those the DM's can be sure are competent enough to play them correctly and responsibly.

[MithrilDragon]

Except Drow, Duergar, and Minotaurs all have quite significant mechanical and roleplaying advantages that don't exist for Ghostwise.

Besides, if someone was jealous that Ghostwise were getting more attention than their Stargazers, wouldn't it just make more sense to remove them outright? Or at least illustrate to people that the individuals responsible for the creation of Stargazers didn't just copy the existing Ghostwise, and were bright enough to make their own unique, distinctive group?

Because making them app-only sort of makes it seem like there's no distinction. And that people are less concerned with how people play, and more concerned with what they play.

[Equinox]

They were made app, to encourage people to play stargazers i believe. The gazers are pretty mucht he same, onyl with faction goals and cool plots. Playing a ghostwise is pretty pointless when they are essentially gazers.

[MithrilDragon]

To say that they're essentially gazers is to say that the DMs essentially plagiarized an entire subrace and credited themselves with it's creation.

[putrid_plum]

Actually I have heard the DMs say they would rather have people play stargazers and not ghostwise halflings.  They are very very close and fit perfect in this setting so why NOT play one?  The apps for them are VERY easy to get passed and they have a very cool history.  I also remember Mort saying he'd script a ghostwise only disease to kill them all, because so many were playing them and not the sweet stargazers. :) :) :)

[MithrilDragon]

Some of us don't want to play Stargazers? Not all of us want to send in an application for one? Some of us recognize that there is a distinction between one and the other?

If it's because people were picking Ghostwise and intentionally portraying them as Stargazers, then fine. Perhaps it would be a good move to speak to those players. If it's because Mort just likes Stargazers more, that's just blatant favoritism.

[Drakill Tannan]

Just send an app if you want to play a ghostwise. If there are so few and you have a reason to play one you'll surely get it aproved.

[FleetingHeart]

I believe another problem that cropped up were people playing ghostwise as if they were stargazers.... So.  App only.

And as stated, stargazer apps are easy. Just send it in with a basic understanding of what they are and you'll probably get accepted and given a bit more information from the DMs to help you play them right.

[Blake the Boar]

I see no problem of playing ghostwise over gazers, once it could actually bring some culture shock between them, or a ghostwise joining gazers, taking his different points of view to the natives, being confused as gazers, hating gazers for being heretics, there's plenty of stuff to bring with one. But that doesn't mean I believe they should not have apps, a mini app perhaps would do.

[putrid_plum]

MD you are being silly.  App for a ghostwise then but they are VERY VERY close to the same damn thing.  It makes little sense to play ghostwise over a stargazer.  If you wish to anyways go for it.

*EDIT*

On another note do you even know about stargazers, MD?

[MithrilDragon]

Just send an app if you want to play a ghostwise. If there are so few and you have a reason to play one you'll surely get it aproved.

Please read my post. Not everyone wants to app.

I believe another problem that cropped up were people playing ghostwise as if they were stargazers.... So. App only.

Again, please read. If people are being lazy and playing one race as another, then that's a problem with players. It's a problem with players that has existed as long as I've played, and it's a problem that isn't going to be fixed by setting up roadblocks.

And as stated, stargazer apps are easy. Just send it in with a basic understanding of what they are and you'll probably get accepted and given a bit more information from the DMs to help you play them right.

Again. Some of us don't want to apply to play Stargazers. Some of us want to play plain old Ghostwise. There is a difference. If you aren't aware of that, then there happens to be a lot of reading you may or may not be interested in.

Edit:

On another note do you even know about stargazers, MD?

Yes.

MD you are being silly. App for a ghostwise then but they are VERY VERY close to the same damn thing. It makes little sense to play ghostwise over a stargazer. If you wish to anyways go for it.

Then we're admitting that EfU's ripped off something and passed it off as it's own for no good reason? Worse, that something Ed Greewood made up is being ripped off?

[Blake the Boar]

Well, I'm one of those players with application-phobia, so I always tend to think of non application characters (the main issue for me is not even fear of not getting approved, it is the responsibility and obligation of having to do shit, having to involve players, and having to stick with the character, what if I get sick of it?)

However, I don't think special flavored races should be application free ... If you want it real badly to play a ghostwise, and you are into their culture and all, writing a mini app should be a pleasure, and this should not be an issue. Half of the effort you spent writing this post, if spent in an app, would get your ghostwise approved, I'm sure.