PVP

[Giselle123]

I like that this server has player vs player conflict and that that eventually turns into pvp logically.  That's good.  When it gets tiresome for me is when people think pixel dueling is fun.

Pvp has a huge caveat that fighting monsters or dms does not; it is a great way for people to get riled at one another over...rolls.  You might as well be playing dice with real money if you like rolls as anything but a way to add variety/uncertainty to a gamesystem.

The beauty of the game lies not in making your pixel dominate another's pixel (boring!!!) but in making your pixel come alive.  Tonight my painfully dumbass musclehead char got challenged to a duel he ic didn't want, and ooc I could care less.  But I could tell the other player was ooc eager to show this idiot char of mine could be beaten in an unbuffed duel.  When he kept losing (and really not rp'ing the fact he'd just been beaten down for the x time, leaping up repeatedly within seconds of being 'subdued') I get a strong feeling he (the player) was pissed out of his mind.  For god sakes, we both did nothing a moderately well written script couldn't do and there's emotions attached to it?

I don't give one shit about who wins pvp.  I'll fight other chars with my pcs as fits into a story, but for the record don't bother my chars with duels and such unless you literally want to kill them.  My chars are for rp and enjoyment, pvp by rp (make it actually cooly lead up to and i'm all in, but none of this 'lets duel' crap).

[Jayde Moon]

This post pisses me off and I will now find you in game and take it out on your pixels.

[VanillaPudding]

You logic as to why PvP happens is totally fine. There is little need to post this saying "don't challenge my characters to duels" however, as that's an IC issue that should be handled accordingly to whatever you're playing.

If you feel someone is getting angry or abusing the subdual system (they are required to stay down until you allow them up, technically) then report it privately. Generally in a "sparring" situation you would use the sparring mode accordingly that represents a more "friendly" duel.

[tropic]

next time switch to fd on the second (or third) duel.
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kidding! but you might try threatening it, in-character, anyway.

[Giselle123]

I don't do the 'reporting' thing; it's rather close to being a tattletail in grade school.  I've learned it's best actually to keep your mouth shut about most of what you know.  Telling on someone has to be the last thing in the world that interests me; I wrote a public message to set things very clear for those who for mostly ooc reasons crave to smack my chars around.  These folks know who they are.

I expect players to show maturity not because I threaten to call the dm, but because they want to be smart.  It's a complete waste of time to try to bludgeon someone into playing well; you can't force quality.

I wrote this public message to let everyone know who wants to 'fight my chars' to either put serious reason/effort into the rp, or to take your beefs elsewhere.  I wouldn't have written it if it weren't an ongoing issue.  If you've a hankering to 'put me in my place', do it with skill and style.  I might even congratulate you after you win.

[VanillaPudding]

Okay good talk.

[Disco]

Giselle it sounds to me as if you have a very cool head when it comes to pvp. I like that. And I think you will find that most players here are like you in regards to such.
It also sounds to me as if this player was a rather immature player who clearly does not know to stay down when subdued.

[12 Hatch]

When in doubt, remember that it's just a game!

Not worth stressing out about.

[derfo]

make sure you seperate ic and ooc, and if they are that pissed over rolling badly then that is their problem, naga

[SkillFocuspwn]

You are not six years old, telling the DMs when people are breaking the rules is not a bad thing to do. There is no point in letting people who are purposefully ruining your gaming experience continue to do so because you don't want to look like a tattletale.

Yes, expecting people to be sensible and friendly and respect you is good but when they don't, it's pretty ridiculous just letting them continue causing trouble!

[SanTelmo]

As the person who was challenging you into that duel, I would like to point out several things. We were taking a sparring duel, I was trying to beat your orc in that duel few times but I didn't succeed in it. Each time I hit the ground, I got up when the scripted downtime of sparring mode allowed, healed myself and demanded IG a new fight. My character wanted to clash with you in order to beat you in a non-magic duel. I clearly did not have any chance against you in the odds of mechanics but how does that stop me from trying to clash at you again and again IG as an attempt to show that my character has a wish to learn to beat you? To engage a melee fight in this game, there is only one way to do it.

Your character did get angry at the last fight. It was perfectly reasonable to get angry and you were ready to move on to something more than sparring match. We both stopped for a moment, you began to threathen me, I began to threathen you. It could have escalated into something more but then we talked and decided to finish it as a sparring match. I lost to you and my character had had enough for the day, I paid you the sum I promised and walked away.

Tonight my painfully dumbass musclehead char got challenged to a duel he  ic didn't want, and ooc I could care less.  But I could tell the other  player was ooc eager to show this idiot char of mine could be beaten in  an unbuffed duel.

If your char did not IC want to do it, why did you come to the arena when I asked? It was completely optional.

How I was OOCly pissed over the results of these duels? My character did express his hate for losing the matches IG but I myself never expressed any OOC feelings over this matter to you, in any way.

 

I'll fight other chars with my pcs as fits into a story, but for the  record don't bother my chars with duels and such unless you literally  want to kill them.  My chars are for rp and enjoyment, pvp by rp (make  it actually cooly lead up to and i'm all in, but none of this 'lets  duel' crap).

You are all about RP and enjoyment of this game but you are only interested in PvP that ends in FD? There is no room for a friendly sparring, tournaments or other melee events in your RP, they are not fun?

I do agree that the game mechanics do not offer much other ways to make battle than the rolls, skills and feats. However that does not stop you from trying to have fun with other chars in multitude of ways and even though you don't really "learn" anything from it, at least you can imagine your character does.

If you are not interested in this kind of stuff, I will not ask of you in the future. But I am still surprised as you are the first one who actually complains me of having a spar with them IG and I honestly don't see what made you so pissed about it? Maybe you should have talked with a DM about this first, because there actually was at least one DM overseeing this sparring.

[Udenbur]

It's a shame that you feel aggrieved by the whole situation. Especially in a setting where friendly duels & spars are a common trade. Can always decline when someone challenges you to a duel.

PvP can, and usually is entertaining all parties involved. Especially the kind that doesn't have to end in a FD (or worse, a loot session!).

Way I see it, this can as well be kept IG. People shouldn't have to go out of their IC way to spare you, if you give them reason to challenge you to some duel. Solution for this is found IG, not here on the boards.



PS: There's no /e-flexers around here when it comes to these kind of d20 related spars. All in good fun, hm?

[Howlando]

I'm not sure how you "got the feeling" the other player (apparently Elmo) was "pissed out of his mind" if no OOC tells or contact took place, and the entire episode went down IC, but the appropriate and mature response would be to either discuss it privately with the other player or contact a DM (no we are not in kindergarten, yes it is completely appropriate here to contact the DM team when there are issues of this kind). It is not very appropriate, though, to call out someone else (even if unnamed) about a specific event like this, implying he broke PvP rules (when it sounds like he didn't).

It is also not appropriate to dictate that -

but for the record don't bother my chars with duels and such unless you literally want to kill them. My chars are for rp and enjoyment, pvp by rp (make it actually cooly lead up to and i'm all in, but none of this 'lets duel' crap).

I have been playing Neverwinter Nights for more than five years, and have seen plenty of occasion in which duels and other contests can be part of interesting RP and lead to tensions between characters. Although obviously it's all just a relatively simple game crunching the numbers in the background, I don't think it's appropriate for you to dictate in some kind of OOC fashion that you don't want other players to challenge you IC even if it would be IC for them to do so. You would probably be happier and enjoy yourself here if you just focus on your own character's story and roleplaying and responding however you think the character would respond, rather than posting on this OOC forum what and what does not interest you.

If you have any further questions, I suggest you consult with myself or another DM privately, but for now I think it's best this thread is closed.