Give Cacophonic burst back to bards

Started by MAGIC, December 06, 2023, 05:18:07 PM

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MAGIC

Cacophonic burst used to be a wiz 4, bard 4 spell. It was deemed to be too powerful as a lvl 4 wizard spell so it was moved to wiz 5.

And it was completely removed from bards. I don't see why it can't be a bard 4 spell given that bards only receive it at lvl 10 while a wizard receives it at 9 and bards will only have a single casting of it / day *if* they have 18 cha.

Hierophant

I would really like to see more incentives for playing pure bards/caster focused bards. I think the thing people gloss over when looking at a caster bard is the lack of spell slots, but they also have a pattern to their spells- many classic 'bard' spells are received a circle earlier. An example of these;

Lesser Dispel as a Circle 1 instead of a Circle 2
Balagorn's Iron Horn as a Circle 1 instead of a Circle 2
Amplify (Bard only) as a Circle 1 (+20 Listen)
Clarity as a Circle 2 instead of a Circle 3
Cure Moderate Wounds as a Circle 2 instead of a Circle 3 (just like Clerics)
Cure Light Wounds as a Circle 1 (Like Clerics)
Hold Person as a Circle 2 (Like Clerics)
Silence as a Spell (As clerics)
Sound Burst as a Spell + a buff (Bard only buff)
Bestow Curse as a Circle 3 (Like clerics)
Charm Monster as a Circle 3 instead of a Circle 4
Confusion as a Circle 3 instead of a Circle 4
Fear as a Circle 3 instead of a Circle 4
Wounding Whispers as a Circle 3 (Bard only spell, unique: rolls damage once for the shield, rather than per attack like other damage shields)

So if you're gonna be a caster bard, I feel it's about time and place for when to use a particular spell, plus bards can be themed very well kinda like sorcs with what spells they take and what they wanna do.

In an ideal world, this trend set by NwN could be expanded, and if too strong, locked behind perks?

Cacophonic Burst can come back as a bard spell for Circle 4, as that would continue the trend. Wizards/Sorcs get it at circle 5 / level 9, bards get it at circle 4 / level 10.

Neutralize Poison can become a Circle 3 spell for bards, similar to rangers and druids.

Mass Haste can become a Circle 5 bard spell, as wizards/sorcs get it as a Circle 6.

Ice Storm can be moved to Circle 3, as Sorcs/Wizards get it as a Circle 4. They usually get it at Circle 6 which is pointless.

Mind Fog can become a Circle 4, as it's a Circle 5 Sorc/Wizard spell.

Etc etc. I definitely think the bard spellbook should be touched on to account for all the changes the last year.


How long, Catiline, will you continue to abuse our patience?