Laysword Fighter Perk

[Ebok]

Lay Sword
Temples of all faiths often boast a number of lay members skilled with  blade and hammer, but unsuited for the life of a priest. These men wage  war for their respective deities, taking orders not from worldly lords  but the sanctified mouths of priests and priestesses.

Level 1: +1 vs Divine
Level 5: +1 Will
Level 8: +1 Universal Saves

Maybe this is over reaching, but it just came up in IRC. This perk needs Help.

[INDENT]The Level 1 is a +1 on saves vs divine spells, which are almost never used and when they are used they are almost always friendly. So this is basically not an ability at all, since +1 is pathetic even on loot.

Level 5: +1 will, not horrible, but seriously nothing when compared to the rest of the perks.

Level 8: +1 all saves, great!
[/INDENT]

I recommend making the level one immunity to something, or +1 divine damage, or something that's a bit interesting. And the level 5 should really be a +2 will, but might be okay if the level one was at least applicable.

[Gotham]

Why not something to the effect of... I don't know

Lvl 1: +2 vs fear

Lvl 5: Strong Soul

Lvl 8: Divine Grace

[HoHoHeeHee]

Revamping a lot of the more "stingy" perks would certainly be nice! A little more +2/3 against mind effecting, light resists against things that are prominent than divine damage, or greater singular skill bonuses to match the class / perk would be superb!

[Jagged]

I like Gotham's suggestion although Divine Grace is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too powerful. Just keep it at +1 universal saves at level 8 in my opinion.

[Softie]

I agree.  Lay sword looks like one of the weakest, mechanically, perk packs to me.  Take Gothams suggestion, I really like it.  I do not think divine grace is too powerful, how many other fighter class features benefit from Charisma?

I think +4 lore or so, also added at 5 makes sense thematically to represent religious study.

[HerDarkMajesties]

Giving the background Divine Grace bonus feat isn't a bad idea at alll. If you're a pure class fighter with decent enough charisma to take advantage of it, it's come at the cost of STR / CON, etc - so an extra +2 or so universal saves isn't unbalancing in that situation.

[SkillFocuspwn]

+2 will and +1 fortitude and reflex is pretty tasty, personally i think this is one of the better fighter perks. They don't really have the same kick as the sorceror or rogue perks but I'm pretty sure that's intentional.

[derfo]

I'd like to adjust fighter perks eventually, but it is not a huge priority.

[lovethesuit]

You guys have been so busy lately, even during Christmas! It's appreciated greatly.

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[Disco]

Smite evil Or smite good!

[Jagged]

Well let's put some numbers out there as to why Divine Grace is a terrible idea for pure fighters.

You can well enough start with a very mechanically savvy build of:

16/10/14/12(wis)/10/14

Drink a Eagle's Splendor and, oh look: your pure fighter has +4 to all saves, combined with the +1 fort and +1 will you already received from the Strong Soul feat.

[Valo56]

As opposed to permanent concealment, immunity to spells, movement speed bonuses, hard bonuses to DEX and CON, AB bonuses, DR, powerful summon themes and things the other perks and classes give? I think a +4 to saves, though rather large, really doesn't overshadow other perks much.

[Jagged]

I thought we're discussing a Fighter perk here? What do the perks of other classes have to do with it?

And no. No Fighter perk is anything as powerful as giving +5/+4/+5 to saves.

[Ebok]

I'd like to adjust fighter perks eventually, but it is not a huge priority.

Cool deal Derflaro