Subraces

[PanamaLane]

So, I'll weigh in, why not?

I think ECL makes -perfect- sense if the mean lvl on the server was something like 12. All those buffed up subraces would then land around 6-9 on average, which is enough to do some damage.

However, I'm guessing the mean is actually somewhere around 6, which puts your ECLers at lvls too low to really effective.

[The Beggar]

I know in the past there's been talk of removing ECL completely.

I support Caddies in his Mad quest for power. If apps are tightened up and the powerful subraces well approved, they should be more powerful and not have to quest spam to be equal level with their counterparts.

[IxTheSpeedy]

I agree with Gippy, the ECL adjustment seems like it is to balance out a single player situation.  In this setting, adjusting them down or adjusting the starting level of the character up would make sense.

[Daemonic Daz]

When me and requiem played a drow and her half-drow slave, it was only a few weeks before the slave was lvl 8 and the drow was only lvl 4. :(

[Random_White_Guy]

I was plotting an alternate concept should my current PC's inevitable defeat come, and I found the following:

Fire Genasi are quite possibly the worst subrace on the server, and they still get ECL 1

Elf subraces can give you better stats than they get (+2 int, -2 cha), and their only racial perk is +1 fire save, that goes up by +1 for every five levels.

How.

-How- is that worth ECL +1?

I say do away with it, and let the RP be the hinderance. They already have to app for the subrace. There is enough things that can be done by DMs and PCs to these classes in game to effect how "Successful" they are, without asanine mechanical hinderances like +1 ECL for +2 to your fire saves (Since no one ever gets above level 9, to my knowledge, especially with ECL), or other subraces that equally are supposed to be "Monsters" and "Feared". RP should influence it. RP should effect it.

ECL is, sadly, A cumbersome joke.

[Halfbrood]

level adjustment

[dragonfire9000]

I've never had an app accepted *is bitter* and I really know very little about subraces/ECL. However, after reading these posts, I think several of the more hated/loathed subraces ought to have their ECL dropped.

[Snoteye]

level adjustment

[Snoteye]

How lame, we have anti-spam protection. Grumble.