(G)SF Evocation bonuses?

[Egon the Monkey]

Evocation, useful though it is, doesn't have any particular bonuses for taking Focus in it. If Evocation Focus feats added some bonuses to lesser used spells, it'd encourage these as signature spells of an Evoker over other wizards. it also might make more players use offence spells on quests than invis buff all the way, and be able to rely on spells other than Magic Missile. Yes, it's cool to use spells purely for the sake of flavour, but if it doesn't damage the enemy, so much as tickle them, the flavour in question tastes rather sour.

Looking over the mechanics page, I noticed that Shelgarn's Persistent Blade has had its duration reduced to 1 round/level. Considering it's an Evocation spell, could it be modified so that SF Evocation makes it last for 2 rounds a level and GSF evocation makes it last for 4 rounds/level (close to the original duration), similar to Summon Creature spells?

Other ideas:
Gedlee's Electric Loop: 1d8 Electric/2 levels with SF Evoke, 1d10 Electric/2 levels with GSF.
Ice Dagger: Damage is uncapped with GSF Evocation.
Horizakaul's Boom: With GSF Evocation, Dazes the Target for one round on a failed save.
Flare: -2 AB with SF Evocation.

[athousandyearsofpain]

Sorry, but are you fucking stupid for real?
 
There is no other school of magic that can compare itself to the power of evocation.
There is no other school that can obliterate full groups of high-level PCs in a round.
There is no other school that still can obliterate full groups of high level PCs in a round without having the Spell Focus.
 
And you want to make these casters stronger?
Sorry, but my first question remains.

[TheImpossibleDream]

Ugh... honestly enough is enough. This suggestion is utterly absurd, do you not remember Genteel Jim or Karida? Guess how they destroyed most people? High DC evocations, evocations do not need more boosts even the less used ones have their uses. I recall killing a certain weaponsmaster pc with geedlee's electric loop on its own, as a level 5 wizard...

[Egon the Monkey]

Considering it's Evocation, some form of flame-proof umbrella might have been in order to deflect the rudeness.

There is no other school that still can obliterate full groups of high level PCs in a round without having the Spell Focus.

Which begs the question of why have the spell focus or specialisation? What you've both said pretty much supports the idea that there's little reason to choose Evocation as a school because you can get the benefit of a high DC by using high Int/CHA and buffs, and have the benefits of other GSFs, if you want to run some sort of "Crush everyone with FIRE" powerbuild.

Of the three spells mentioned, Gedlee's is useful as a chained stun vs one guy in that specific sort of situation you used. You can't aim it at the floor, so it's dangerous if your ally is in combat with the target. Ice Dagger and Shelgarn's have even fewer uses, Ice Dagger being the poor relation of Burning Hands. Handy with the perk, but even Burning Bolt's more useful otherwise. Shelgarn's is nice vs really wimpy 2-5 quest enemies but anything with high STR or elemental damage swats it in a round.

I don't think any of those Level one or two spells mentioned are capable of "crushing groups of high level PCs in a single round". Certainly not the "awesome power" of a longer duration Shelgarn's. That's the main one I thought would be cool to change to see it used more, with the others being more an afterthought.

What I suggest is not as you think Akke "Make Evokers Stronger" .
It's "Give an heavily invested evoker some way to make use of normally weak spells in a way that a non-specialist cannot". Those figures up there are rough ideas, I don't get why this forum always degenerates into GOOD!/BAD! not "Something along those lines might work"/"I think that's too much but..."

[athousandyearsofpain]

Its amazing that you make a suggestion about improving something yet have no clue about how strong said school of magic is.
 
anyway..
 
 
/ignore

[TheImpossibleDream]

You take spell focus to land the spells for full damage against high saving throw characters such as rogue, bard, monk, paladin and various multiclass combinations. With spell focus evocation it is possible to have mid 20's dc empowered firebalsl that will outright one shot any pc with even rogues having only 40%~ chance to save.

You cast two of those in a single haste meaning it's pretty much garatueed to land once.

Evoker specialists have the ability to utterly eradicate their foes with their massive dc powerful spells.

Furthermore there is no unique benifit for ANY wizard specialization. Only taking the feats provide benifits, which has nothing to do with specialized school. Specializing in a school rather than selecting generalist grants one bonus spell slot in every spell level. An evoker can take spell focus divination and get all the benifits a diviner gets for example.

[TakenByVisions]

I don't believe anything in that spell school could possibly be improved any further. There are already perks that greatly support it, it's quite possible to quest as an evocation specialist and do it well, and they are quite simply a sight to behold in PvP.

[Howlando]

I don't think this suggestion is worth making but the tone of the responses to this thread are completely unacceptable.