Druid Wildshape - Tumble Bonus to Flying Creatures

[OrneryBadger]

This one is a bit self serving and i'll admit it, but as one who lives at one with the wilds, having a bitch of a time even getting into the Unyielding Pass is a bit annoying. Now it's understandible that I, as an untrained individual, might not be good at climbing or balance.
 
So why can't I turn into a bat and fly over that river?
 
Given the inability of shapechange to make use of items other then potions I feel it's not terrible imba to give the flying shapes as much as 10 tumble to represent their multidimensional movement and ability to overcome groun based obstacles. This provides an easy way for druids to get around or over jump spots, climb up ropes lowered by others, or otherwise manuever around the wilderness. This would enhance the shapes uses for scouting and evasion.
 
Suggested Affected Shapes: Seagull, Nightmare Bat, Raven, Ymphian Cockatoo. The negligible health and damage of all of these shapes makes abusing the tumble for tanking unfeasible.

[Spiffy Has]

Flying Creatures should be given the Climb ability as well as Spiders.

Just to better represent the power of druids, you know. :)

[Urlen]

Agreed

[TheMacPanther]

I agree.

[Jagged]

Aye, lad. I don't understand climbing for panther form though(as was suggested in the other thread).

[OrneryBadger]

Flying Creatures should be given the Climb ability as well as Spiders.
 
Just to better represent the power of druids, you know. :)

Climb/mounting checks are currently a combination of tumble/dex, unless a rope is used in which case str is added to the equation. When shifted into animal form you can't use items, more or less making it impossoble for animal forms to 'climb' persay unless going up a rope someone has already lowered.
 
The high AC and Melee presence of Spider Form would make giving it tumble points overkill, a free 2 ac and the ability to move around in melee ontop of it's relativly high dc on hit poisen wouldn't be fair, as awesome as it would be to have.
 

Aye, lad. I don't understand climbing for panther form though(as was suggested in the other thread).

I didn't read that thread but neither do I. Big cats certainly do have the equipment to climb tree's and do with regularity, but climbing as we do it in game is almost exsclusivly relegated to rock faces, something panthers aren't so good at.
 
I feel a tumble bonus to small flying forms would be perfectly reasonable though and a good mechanical way to represent the ability to fly over obstacles.

[IxTheSpeedy]

Agreed, it would also represent the ability to fly over an enemy as apposed to for some strange reason staying within their arms reach and getting beaten for no conceivable reason...

[Urlen]

Or have a higher level bird form able to fly around the isle akin to the way of teleport?

[Spiffy Has]

Or have a higher level bird form able to fly around the isle akin to the way of teleport?

System similar to this is already in place.

[OrneryBadger]

Or have a higher level bird form able to fly around the isle akin to the way of teleport?

But as for that, you have to join team nature and FOIG ;)