Got a new(er) computer, installed nwn 1, loaded the prelude with settings on high and everything worked like a charm.
Installed SOU, loaded prelude with settings on high and everything worked like a charm.
Installed HOTU, loaded prelude with settings on high and everything worked like a charm.
Patched with the critical rebuild and everything went to shit. Even the red smoke animation went to shit. Whats going on?
Before we even get into this:
1) Its running in compatibility mode (xp s2) and as admin
2) I did not add the haks etc. yet, fresh install
3) I've fiddled with the sound (Miles with bias all the way to 2D).
4) It is installed to the C drive, not in any program folder
5) I've set the affinity from -2 all the way to 31, it makes no difference
Whats left to do? It has to be something in the critical update that screwed up the install, right?
I dont think its specifically windows 8 causing this issue. Nwn runs fine on windows 8 without compatibility mode, and you dont have to mess with the sound either. It should work perfect.
First of all, my number 1 suggestion would be to get the GoG version and plug in your CD key, or request a Multiplayer CD key from GoG. It'll run cleanly and instantly without fiddling.
If you dont wanna spend a couple bucks, your first steps gonna be reinstalling the whole thing- and slowly working up the updates to the rebuild.
Edit: Googling it- Does your new computer happen to have integrated intel graphics?
Quote from: Arc;377191I dont think its specifically windows 8 causing this issue. Nwn runs fine on windows 8 without compatibility mode, and you dont have to mess with the sound either. It should work perfect.
First of all, my number 1 suggestion would be to get the GoG version and plug in your CD key, or request a Multiplayer CD key from GoG. It'll run cleanly and instantly without fiddling.
If you dont wanna spend a couple bucks, your first steps gonna be reinstalling the whole thing- and slowly working up the updates to the rebuild.
Edit: Googling it- Does your new computer happen to have integrated intel graphics?
Using an old ATI Radeon HD 4550, which should be plenty to play this game. Its updated to the latest driver. The funny thing is I KNOW it works because (being impulsive) I tested out the preludes between each one of the installs this afternoon. Its only after the 1.69 critical update that everything starts getting choppy. There is something in there that is ruining my install.
My next step is downloading all of the critical patches and going from 1.59 to 1.62 to 1.65 to 1.66 to 1.69 >:(
That failed. :(
Now I'm downloading diamond from GOG. This is ridiculous!
It really is- and it'll only get worse as Nwn gets older. Worrying.
By "Went to shit" what do you mean? Specifically. Explaining exactly what's going on will help a lot.
Downloading all patches here and there again with new cdkeys and what not is simply matter of sheer luck. Make sure you have newest drivers and updates for both windows and graphics card.
Next go to settings and make sure most of your video settings will be allowed to be adjusted by the program, don't set them to anything specific. In nwn remove the tags for specific graphic options and test them.
Windows 8's newest updates screwed many things for some people, some they didn't, but my younger brother could not play anything properly last month, before they released few bug fixes.
And he rolls with gaming laptop with hardware that runs battlefield on high and ultra settings with over 60 fps.
Cloaks are normally the problem. The OpenGL NwN uses is not compatible with most modern gfx cards unless you apply a hotfix or disable cloaks and something else.
I had the same problem.
I'm currently playing on a Win 8 Laptop, and have encountered no difficulties. Having said that, I believe I have removed some of the more 'high end' NWN graphics options, and it runs smooth as ever after that.
Quote from: Valo56;377225By "Went to shit" what do you mean? Specifically. Explaining exactly what's going on will help a lot.
I mean the game gets choppy and incredibly slow even in the menu area with the red smoke, the smoke is stuttering which is just a preview for actually getting in game. The game gets unplayable after applying the critical rebuild. Mind you I have my original CDs which updates me to 1.59 with HOTU, maybe thats the problem. My next step is to download the GOG version and see if that installs correctly.
Tried installing via gog files and using the critical rebuild and that is failing as before. Nwn will technically run but it is effectively unplayable. Any help?
Have you tried altering the CPU affinity to have it run on a single core?
NWN was released when multiple CPU cores for PCs were unheard of, and they've been known to cause framerate issues in many cases.
Have you checked sound settings and untagged the shiny water / lava and other settings to test them?
Quote from: Corrigo;377366Have you tried altering the CPU affinity to have it run on a single core?
NWN was released when multiple CPU cores for PCs were unheard of, and they've been known to cause framerate issues in many cases.
Yes, I have tried values of -2 all the way to 31. I have also tried simultaneously changing it from the process manager.
Quote from: Paha;377382Have you checked sound settings and untagged the shiny water / lava and other settings to test them?
I've disabled sounds, tried every sound setting, slid the sliders all the way to 2D. I have untagged every advanced setting and it still runs like shit.
I am convinced that there is something wrong with the HOTU critical update patch. Or it changes some critical setting for me. It runs like a dream without it, but after its applied NWN slows to a crawl.
Can anybody verify that their files are all lowercase, uppercase or a combination thereof?
As I've written already I had the same issue and it was to do with the openGL drivers on modern gfx cards causing unplayable frame rates and lag.
if I recall correctly it's because visible cloaks were enabled in hotu and that is what causes the huge framerate drop.
I'll find a link.
Give this a try, if it works, great, if it doesn't at least you can rule it out http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Other.Detail&id=208426&id=1500
Quote from: Nuclear Catastrophe;377475Give this a try, if it works, great, if it doesn't at least you can rule it out http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Other.Detail&id=208426&id=1500
Thanks, tried it but it still didn't work. Thank you for not abandoning me yet!
I wish I could be helpful, but I have no advice to provide. Hopefully the problem is solved soon.
QuoteUsing an old ATI Radeon HD 4550, which should be plenty to play this game. Its updated to the latest driver.
Do you have the AMD Catalyst Control Center installed? I've noticed it can effect performance in NWN.
I'd suggest uninstalling it it. Specifically, run the latest AMD graphics driver installation program to uninstall everything AMD related, then run it again, select a custom installation, but don't have CCC installed.
If that doesn't work also try downgrading the drivers to something from a few years ago.
Quote from: FarmGirl;377650try downgrading the drivers to something from a few years ago.
Good advice, try this. Go to oldversion.com for them
My guess is also that its most likely a driver issue. Before replacing my old computer (Pentium 4) I had upgraded(?) the graphics card from an old Nvidia FX5500 (a card as old as nwn) to an ATI HD2600 and I could never get the game to run right. My frame rates were very bad and I had many strange graphical artifacts on my screen. I eventually got an even more powerful ATI card (5000 series) thinking that would be the fix but I ran into the same issues. I eventually downgraded to an Nvidia 6800 Ultra and had no issues at all. NWN seems to dislike ATI cards imo, however they seem to work for some people. The earliest drivers available for your graphics card might get nwn working well. I wish you the best of luck.
I've been using ATI cards from 5870 -> 7970 (Currently) and many in between, on lowend not meant for gaming and those used for gaming.
On windows 7 I never had problems. Windows 8 few times, but I sorted them out.
Once more, what I can advice is to keep updated drivers, they definitely are not the issue. If you have newest 8.1 patch on windows 8, that can screw you up as it screwed many newest games all the same.
Your graphic card is on low-medium range, so it's specific shaders or other aspects may conflict with nwn settings presented on 1.69, it happens. Make sure you have the graphic 3d settings set so that program itself can adjust them, do not make adjustments in graphic cards settings yourself, this is necessary for some newest and older games. Next, make use of the 2d audio midi what not it's in game. Turn off the shiny water. Make sure you are running what ever highest bit textures you got or what not.
Confirm twice that you are running admin, not just on the shortcut you use to play nwn, but on the directory that mainexe and others have admin use and xp sp3 tagged everywhere. Windows 8 runs even further versions of aero and other settings that will mess up. You have been running windows 8 this far, have you? Or just switched up to it since you last played?
edit:
Also for claritys sake, never really compare graphic cards or assume that newer / better is always that. Even with same models and maker cards there can be great performance differences, it's sometimes luck of the draw. Different models also have different hardware, some low level shitty cards will run older games far better than any new card can. Your card can run nwn and even if it may lose to some newer ones, should have all support that is required. There's just some tweak somewhere.
Quote from: Nuclear Catastrophe;377236Cloaks are normally the problem. The OpenGL NwN uses is not compatible with most modern gfx cards unless you apply a hotfix or disable cloaks and something else.
I had the same problem.
What hot fix?
This person was having the same issues as I am with the same card, gonna see if they are still around.
http://social.bioware.com/%25253cbr%25253e%25253c/a%25253ehttp:/social.bioware.com/forum/Neverwinter-Nights-1/NwN-1-Technical-Support-Self-help-for-all-versions-and-expansions/NWN--Windows-7---Sudden-Stuttering-and-Texture-Problems-9409478-1.html
I'm going to bump this as I have spent 5 hours in the last two days trying to get NWN to run.
At some point I was able to start single modules just fine but then - whenever I attempted to connect to EFU (both old and new character) I had an instant game-crash, without even seeing the 'loading' screen.
And it's getting worse and worse, especially after clean reinstall now..
Radeon HD 6700, Win 7 64 Bit
Funny thing is - shortly after you guys released the myconid hak, I downloaded it to have a look at it, worked fine and I didn't play since then.
I'll post some more when I'm actually not at the point of just tossing it out the window.
Make sure you got latest drivers. Make sure you got latest haks, as when you have enabled haks, you must have all of them unless you first disable them.
Run the main nwn .exe as administartor and windows xp sp3 format, and voluntary disable aeroes on windows 7.
I have absolutely no trouble running it in Windows 8.1
Could that possibly make a difference?
Quote from: Paha;386706Make sure you got latest drivers. Make sure you got latest haks, as when you have enabled haks, you must have all of them unless you first disable them.
Run the main nwn .exe as administartor and windows xp sp3 format, and voluntary disable aeroes on windows 7.
Been there yesterday :)
Going further - the EFU Launcher gets stuck at 99.95% at a random file, and even if I download them manually from here:
http://nwn.efupw.com/rootdir/patch/
..it claims they are outdated so it re-starts the whole download only to get stuck again.
Also, is the dialog.tlk file in this link above an up-to-date file? It causes something obscure to happen to the game, see screenshot:
(http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/mightymicropeople/Clipboard01_zpsfd32b45f.jpg)
..as if the tables were corrupted / misaligned..
This is on a clean GoG Diamond NWN installation from this morning after it was ran down by the 169 critical rebuild.
And .. since I CAN start a single player game with another dialog.tlk I have laying around somewhere, and it crashes only when connecting to EFU... then it must be something with the EFU files, right?
I'm telling, it's something in your system. It can be anything from sound, graphic, chipset, driver to all combined and not working together when playing nwn and with something that is currently in. One way or another, it's not something widespread and I can't really help if you got anything clear to pinpoint it.
dialog.tlk goes to nwn directory, not to hak or override or anything, if you happen to do it, so just get it manually if something else is issue. Also make sure you run the launcher as admin, as well, to allow it to actually override/replace files so it can download them properly.
It should be up to date, atleast I've never had any issues, and I haven't heard anyone else give me reports.
Second confirmation - are you running the current downloader, not the old one?
Yeah, that's where dialog.tlk should go and that's where it goes :)
Ran launcher as an admin. Both in XP compatible mode and without.
It gets 'stuck' randomly at 99% completion of a random file on the list of the files to update..
And yes. Using v 1.2.0 from here - https://github.com/commonquail/efulauncher/releases
Sounds to me you are missing something in general, don't know what.
Does diamond install actually miss a folder or something else that should exist?
(http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/mightymicropeople/Clipboard02_zps1a71ecbf.jpg)
And it gets stuck like this. After it gets 'stuck' at 99% for a while, launcher closers, that file remains empty (zero bytes) and it starts NWN, which obviously claims upon connecting with EFU that this hak file is missing.
Single player starts just fine.
What is peculiar is that it managed to download dialog.tlk succesfully (i downloaded it manually 5 mins ago) and override the old file - and that misaligned table error disappeared.
Then ran the launcher again, this result, got stuck at the same file @ 99% (see some progress though as it only recognized 3 outdated files, unlike repetitively going through them all)..
(http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/mightymicropeople/Clipboard03_zps997f5879.jpg)
3rd attempt of running the launcher yielded exactly the same result as the above, c_heads stuck at 99%..
4th attempt is the same, stuck at 99% at c_heads.
Let me reiterate here that prior to messing with the launcher now, I did download all the hak/override files freshly from the EFU depository..
Since attempt 5 & 6 get the launcher to get stuck at exactly the same thing I simply deleted the c_heads hak file with 0 sizing and.. Woah it managed to complete the download...
I swear that when this happened yesterday and I deleted 0 files it just redid the whole thing and got stuck again.
Stay tuned..
Following the 'it can't override so let it download the whole file fresh' path doesn't seem to work, it got stuck:
(http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/mightymicropeople/Clipboard05_zps0879f388.jpg)
I see potential in determination of repetitive running the launcher till it finally gets what it needs and works...
Blargh.
Also, here's the Diamond Install folder listing:
(http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/mightymicropeople/Clipboard04_zps6d96dc3a.jpg)
Just get them manually if it's an issue.
Haks into hak folder and so on.
Next attempt was foiled by my cat, which decided to lay on her back on my keyboard and closed the window...
When I get them manually, the Launcher claims they are outdated.. ?
I can't say much about that because it doesn't for me. Something is totally f'ed up in your end, and I got no idea what it is.
Launcher checks the up to date status from that directory, so... Logically it's impossibility for it to think they are outdated?
I hear you!
This rig deserves a proper C Format, but I can't get around to do it.. Might soon.
I'll keep my further attempts posted, maybe it will serve as a warning to others who at some point decide to reinstall their NWN.
If you got a clear working installation - keep it, copy paste it, cherish it.
Nothing about this is logical!
So you reinstalled nwn?
Where did you get the files and what was your previous installation from?
If you run launcher, check for it to run as Admin, as I still didn't get answer if you did. Manually, just download haks and put them to hak, dialog.tlk to nwn/ directory and override current dialog.tlk
There shouldn't be anything that stops you after that. You just run normal nwn shortcut as admin and in windows xp sp3 or what ever format and go.
You're also missing some files, and your override filenames have upper case letters and what not. I don't know if they can have a meaning to it.
You lack portrait folder as well.
Seven? Eight? years ago I had NWN CD's and I installed it .. updated it.. nourished it and it worked.
At some point last year I decided I want a fresh install as this one's clunky, my override folder has like 500000000 files..
Took me a while, but I managed to reinstall it just fine with a GOG Diamond version, it worked on EFU just fine, I played on it for a while.
Then I didn't play, saw that there's a Myconid hak available, so downloaded it, worked just fine, I didn't play since then.
That was a few months ago. I felt an urge to play yesterday so I tried, it couldn't connect to EFU due to HAKs, launcher was messing up.
I started fidgeting... Got to the point where I decided it must be VFX drivers.. So I updated to the most current version (AMD) which resulted in NWN NOT starting at all.
More research led me here-
http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Catalyst_video_driver
As that was the error that keeped popping up. Neither of the paths they suggested worked for me... So I said fuck it, Im going to bed its 3 am.
This morning I decided to start fresh. Uninstalled everything AMD related and slapped most recent drivers onto my rig again, uninstalled NWN, then installed it anew from the Diamond GOG installation files.
Slapped HoTU169 fix atop of it, single player works like a charm.
Then I started experimenting with manual downloading of the EFU files again - the game worked fine on single campaigns, but every time I tried to connect to EFU, game was crashing (before the loading screen even) with the same error as listed on the nwn.wikia.com link
Then I got to the point of experimenting with the launcher again.. and here we are!
And yeah, im fully aware of the 'basic' steps, compatibility, admin etc.
I run everything as admin and XP compatible.. I am not THAT IT-inept :)
And your cdkey or cdkeys are fitting for Diamond GOG, all to all?
Add portraits folder to your nwn directory, change override and overrid-bak and what ever files to be lowercases, no upper cases.
Download the haks, they are only thing you require because you've enabled haks in game. Put them in hak folder in nwn. You will need all those 7-8 that are in our hak directory.
Replace dialog.tlk with the one you download.
Take nwn shortcut or what ever and run it as administrator in windows xp compability mode.
What drivers did you download and install for your 6700?
If it doesn't work, log out and go to single player, check your sound settings or others and disable shining water / lava or what ever effects and put sound mode to something very basic.
I assumed my old CD Keys should work with the same game?
Done the rest- still crashing upon EFU connection.
Meanwhile, I got the launcher NOT to scream about codi_creat_efu.hak, just the biggest ud file left.
If you got several cdkeys and not one especially meant for diamond, i got no idea. I've always played with good old nwn and two expansions, and I've never had any problems with this stuff.
We might have the culprit then.
Out of time officially though, will pick this up in the evening.
Thanks for you help Paha : )
I'll send the blokes at GoG an email, but Mortui just confirmed that the file formatting of nwncdkey.ini on the diamond edition is exactly the same as the 'ole' NWN one.
And then, it would have not gotten me to the character selection screen if it rejected my CDKEY.... or would it?
Not about rejecting, I am more about whether it would have mechanical issues. I simply remember that I personally could not get nwn to work properly when I got files from the web, and eventually I had to go back to my original nwn files to have it work properly.
One way or another there is something going on in your end if for one launcher cannot proper do it's job, as only thing it does is kind of mirror the files and install them to your appropriate directories, if you lack them. It also should not be stopping in middle or constantly redownload your files.
If you got the current launcher we use, and you've followed the steps mentioned in launcher topic (//%22http://www.efupw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81588%22) - then I am not sure what it is about. Some settings or something you are lacking is conflicting with something else.
Also, what drivers did you install for your graphic card? Did you change the sound options and settings in nwn, they are a known source for crashing for some.
SOLVED!
Apparently, downloading EFU Hak files manually dind't work, running EFULauncher in admin didn't work.. So what worked?
Running Command prompt in admin mode and running EFULauncher from there.... managed to download all the files properly.... and working.
See ya on the flipside.
Nothing is logical about windows.
Where is your nwn installed into? If it's in windows folders themselves, I will slap you, because that is what I meant with override protection and what not. They are protected folders that won't let you make proper changes inside them and it can block such thing as launcher.
It is why everything need to be ran as administrator to try and circle around any possible blocks that require admin access.
Dude, i never install anything on C: in case I need to format.
C is win/application only partition.
Always.
NWN is on F:\NWN :)
I'm still curious as to why manually downloaded HAK files were not recognized by the launcher as up-to-date though.
I'm not using any download managers anything, just Chrome Browser straight from the "box".
You got antivirus, firewall or something?
Avast, Ad-Aware, eTrust EZ FW.
Update: Bought a new card: Geforce GT 610, deleted realtek drivers, downgraded to to June 2010 DX9 and everything is flying!
See you in game!
omg i read this from the first post... it was like this amazing story man i need to sleep... anyway, so i am reading oh poor sirius and thinking this poor person cannot play beloved efu and he keeps trying and trying and trying paha helping all the ways others at start and im like wow third page in still no luck and then WHAM you have it fixed and played, i wonder are you actually still around playing sirius do you still exist, what a happy story xo :)
I assure you I exist!
SN. I notice the date modified on those files were August 8th?