For some reason, my character seems to suffer -2 to the three social skills of Bluff, Intimidate, and Persuade beyond what his charisma and skill ranks should allow for; This penalty remains when entirely unequipped, restored, and otherwise unharmed and is always present at log in, and after resting, for an entire session; In fact even efusl shows the skills as being lower than they are and it's only when I level up that I see the ranks I initially dropped into the skill :/ Additionally secondary diplomacy seems to have no effect on my character sheet stats whatsoever, or on my skill check description (but I can't tell if it influences the roll obv, as the rolled result is not shown)
character: ender locke
skill ranks: persuade 3, bluff 0, initimidate 0 & sec. diplo 10
background: man-at-arms
perk: animal skinner
-- just not sure if any of that is relevant
Your secondary diplomacy might be taking the skill points away, and could be broken.
See also my post in this thread (http://www.escapefromundeath.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61941).
The problem could be related.
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I expect the efuss part is, but the random -2 to the same social skills I don't believe is; And there was no movement in the listed skills from before or after I increased the secondary skills so I'm skeptical that the -2 came from the broken system. That said, perhaps when I died and lost skill points from secondary diplomacy or something, it applied a penalty to the skills with the intent of peeling a bonus I never recieved - kinda skeptical about that too because my character's delevelled several time since and the skills haven't moved one bit.
I have the same issue. It occured after I took secondary diplomacy and died. When I put 10 points to the skill, I never got any bonuses to the primary skills and when I died and lost the 10 points in secondary diplomacy, I got a permanent -2 on all of my social skills.
Reset, relevelling, rest and logouts have none worked and I still suffer the minus. I dont know if it will stack should I die again and lose the secondary points once more.
This happened to me with Secondary Heal too
I'm not sure if this relates somehow, but it starts to look as if the EFUSS skills incorrectly relate to what they actually should do, perhaps a table or something got switched around.
An example: When I invested 10 points into acrobatics, which supposedly gives a minor tumble bonus, it seemed to do nothing, but I noticed that both my SET TRAP as well as my DISABLE TRAP skills were two points higher than they should be, so I'm assuming I gain from this skill as I should from.. engineering maybe?
Secondary Search on the other hand does nothing I can see and is perhaps related with some EFUSS skill that does not boost the primary skills.
I hope that helps tracking down the problem's source.
I also am having issues with the skills. I had 8 tumble on my character sheet. after adding to acrobatics, its down to 6, instead of increasing.
Regarding the set trap and disable trap, it's a little known feature of those that having 5 points in one grants a +2 synergy bonus to the other, so most likely that's what you are seeing, and not a bonus from any efuss skill, despite what I had thought earlier!
Oh, you're right, I never knew that. In this case, I've not gained any boost to primary skills at all, but have yet to verify if acrobatics still serves its other purpose as it should.
Sadly, my character, Colthan Lleir, has placed 5 points into Secondary Diplomacy, and has also received no bonus to his social skills.
It appears that now my character has received a -1 to his social skills, presumably for having 5 points in diplomacy. However, unlike other reports, I have not died since putting points in it, though I suppose it is possible I leveled.
Amalrith Tremarus - Osmium Tetraoxide
I seem to have this bug as well. An intimidate which should be 11 is reduced to 7 and a persuade which should be 25 is reduced to 21. The secondary diplomacy boost I used to receive seems to have resulted in a -2 instead of a +2 to the relevant skills.
Still broken, it seems.