EFUPW Forums

I see these words alot IG ATm, and I dislike it.  IMO they do not belong in EFU, I dont mind cursing and foul words, but FUCK does imo not belong here.

Your thoughts?

piss on your face, the f bomb is here to stay

I agree with this, fuck is a shit word to use IG! Be more imaginitive, it just sounds harsh and modern.

It's a lazy way to make your character seem crass.

If you're doing other things that are crass, and only drop the F bomb once in a very rare while, it can be a positive thing.

That said, once upon a time 'Fuck' and its permutations were banned, largely because... ahem... certain people were overusing it to the point that it became wholly immersion breaking.

guys this religious swearin is cash

check it

SHARS TITS

SUNES CRUSTY HOLE

BANES BLACK BALLS

ASMODEUS' ASS

Beshebas Bush!

I agree. Simply said leave F - word out.

HELM'S HINEY

Yeah, there are lots of ways to creatively curse that keep it within the setting.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck

Odins beard!

Or...You can just say fuck?

Where is Metro when we need him.

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3701/adunnubis.gif)

Imaginative is fine, but Fuck has a certain meaning that just fits some situations.

Sorry that us Scum of the Docks cant keep it PG.

Quote8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
8=================================D
Fong was here

I'm not offended by the word FUCK anymore than a truckdriver's lot lizard.

I just find it boring and unimaginative.

Fuck this thread

Fuck is not modern at all, it is fine within the setting.

Your choice of words should reflect the meaning you wish to convey. Sometimes the brutal, crass swear word can make your PC come across as more intimidating than if he used some colorful, creative phrase.

Having said that, in most situations a creative swear word (Sune's fiery trench!) is better than a non-creative one.

Also, although I appreciate some hard-bitten thugs/gangsters/whatever might better of be using the word "fuck", use it sparingly. Someone who utters it all the time invariably comes across as dull.

A good old 'Aw fuck' fits in a number of cases. For example, getting hit by that 100+ Scythe crit.

Personally, those words are far too modern and it always breaks immersion for me.

It depends how it's used. I've seen fuck used well in an Ancient Roman setting. My issue lies in the context of use. Seeing someone shouting 'Fuck that!' or 'He's a fucking moron"' is sort of jarring because it's used with modern colloquialisms. However, if used with setting appropriate language, the word is fine.

It all comes down to a question of taste and class, to be honest.

Quote from: djspectre;166129Personally, those words are far too modern and it always breaks immersion for me.

The word 'fuck' is far from modern. It's got Anglo Saxon origins.

Stop your whining, nerds.

Okay, Caddies, give me five examples of creative, setting-appropriate curses that have nothing to do with genitals or gods (Sune's fiery trench is a good one though).

FORNICATION UNDER CONSENT OF THE KING

I'm all in favor of Sune's fiery trench myself, but whatever works according to the situation!

i like fuck personally and think it's funny when someone says fuck a lot

really it doesn't matter, if they say it they do, if they don't they don't

cry more

Quote from: Capricious;166106http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck

The word's history has little relevance to the core of this thread. You are allowed to use the word in question; you should not be using it in a modern way, and that is just about the only way the word is ever used today.

Quote from: Luke Danger;166125A good old 'Aw fuck' fits in a number of cases. For example, getting hit by that 100+ Scythe crit.

A perfect example of when not to use the word, yes.

Quote from: Beatofficer;166132The word 'fuck' is far from modern. It's got Anglo Saxon origins.

i think to me it sounds more modern and traditionally other words were used such as 'bloody' and so on. While today those words dont carry as much weight, they did hundreds of years ago.  so it does jar my immersion and i simply find words that would be more race appropriate.  My hin uses the word 'turnip' as a swear word despite it being a rather benign word to ears of 21st century Earth. It's not great, but sure beats the dull unoriginal nature of fuck and its derivatives.

The word fuck makes as much sense as saying copulate or fornicate in the vaguely defined time setting EfU is in, if you're really that devoted to looking at it purely etymologically.

I think the main problem is that it just looks unimaginitive and exceedingly dull when characters go around saying fuck for everything. Saying it sparingly is fine but its links to the modern world come in that if you throw it into every other sentence you sound like every teenager upon the planet right now.

Be more imaginitive!

Feck isn't even the same thing as fuck, by the way. It's based in like, old scotland. Doesn't have anything to do with fucking either.

What about sod off? I thought that was my name for awhile. When I went out to play with the other kids, they would always shout "Sod off Judas!"

fuck the haters

Part of the problem with old swear words is that they usually lose their bite. Take for example ‘damn’. ‘Damn’ has been a expletive since the middle ages. It was strong enough that most texts banned it for hundreds of years. In fact Gone with the Wind was famous because it was used it so blatantly! It would be like saying today “Frankly my dear I don’t give a cunt”.

Bloody, drat and zounds were all swear words with real sting in their day. The problem is, to today’s ears, they sound extremely weak. I read somewhere that the TV series ‘Deadwood’ was trialled using contemporaneous slang/expletives to go with the rest of their historically accurate dialog. However the cast couldn’t keep a straight face and it sounded embarrassing. Those who have watched it, do you really think: “Al Swearengen: Oh, don't tell me how to talk in my own fuckin' place! Now, here's my counter offer to your counter offer - go *fuck* yourself!”, would have been as good with “Al Swearengen: Oh, don't tell me how to talk in my own dratted place! Now, here's my counter offer to your counter offer - go *damn* yourself!”?

I like the use of modern swear words because old ones seem weak. If I am playing a someone with IQ, wit or a quick tongue, I might use a clever turn of alliterative phrase (my current favourite is “Yondella’s yodelling yoni”… you have to work pretty hard to get Adeladle to say it, however). But if I play someone with a rough bent and a simple turn of phrase, nothing beats a good ‘go fuck yourself’.

Definitely agree with Scrap.

Scrappayeti is my idol

You know Scrap, this thread made me think about Deadwood in the first place, glad you brought it up. /agree

Did someone say... setting-appropriate cussing?

This is a list of examples I compiled from various Realmslore sources about a year ago for another forum. A lot of is even siller and more immersion-breaking than fuck, but it's got some good stuff:

Quote from: "IronAngel"I figured I'd post a few Faerûnian curses in one place, for those that would prefer to use them over real world words. Some of them sound good and are great for immersion, others are just plain awkward. Use them at your own judgement:

Quote from: "Ed Greenwood"Lathanderite curses:

Realms exclamations appear alphabetically, followed in parentheses (with asterisks to lessen the obscenity impact) by the real-world equivalent:

"Beard!" (contraction of "[by the] Beard of Omthas!") [Omthas was an early prophet of Lathander, last heard from over six centuries ago]
"Bitterblood!" (contraction of "By the blood of Alathan!")
"By the Beard of Omthas!" ("Holy crap!" or: "Jesus!" [profane amazement])
"By the blood of Alathan!" ("Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!" or: "Bloody hell!" or "Jesus f*cking Christ!" [profane shock or disgust]) [Alathan was a high priest of a Lathanderite temple who was martyred four centuries back for preaching the faith of Lathander by the local Tethyrian duke -- who hated and feared change, and didn't want any commoners getting uppoty ideas about starting ANYTHING new]
"Darkrose!" ("Blast!" or: "F*ck!")
"Dawnfire!" ("(censored)!")
"Dusking!" ("Damnation!")
"Redblood!" ("Bloody hell!" or "Damn!" [upset Lathanderites have been heard to say things like "They even stole the redblooding candles!" so "redblooding" is the form that lets this word be used directly in place of the real-world "bloody" or "f*cking"]
"Star of the Morning!" ("My word!" [usable even when speaking to superiors in the church 'polite oath' that denotes surprise or dismay])
"Starfall!" ("Damn!" or "Blast!" [ancient oath, now considered almost poetic or flowery])
"Zustrin!" ("Bloody marvellous!" or "F*cking wonderful!" [used only when pleased, but so shocked or surprised as to burst out into profanity; considered poor form by clergy of Lathander]


Banite curses:

Here are some naughty words apt to be uttered by worshippers of Bane today. Where the curse seems an invented word and no 'name origin' is given, it derives from an ancient, ill-remembered 'temple tongue' or cant used by the very early cult of Bane, to keep secret the nature of converse between priests.

"Aumarrath!" (contraction of "In memory of Aumarrath!" [Aumarrath the Tyrant-King was an early prophet of Bane, and this oath is polite enough to be used to superior clergy, denoting holy awe or satisfaction, somewhat akin to the real world: "Blood of the Virgin!" or "Name of the God!"])
"Blackfire!" ("Blood of the God!" [used in awe, admiration, or profane amazement, but never when angry or disgusted; is much less formal than "Aumarrath!"])
"Clathenar!" ("Holy crap!" or: "Jesus!" [Clathenar was an unintentional martyr of Bane whose long-ago holy service was one long sequence of disastrous screwups, so this oath is always used like a groan of dismay or spat out in despairing anger, when something has gone seriously wrong]; pronounced 'CLATH-en-ar')
"Embarranar!" (a gloating thanks to Bane for something that's gone well, or a victory, or unlooked-for aid or good fortune, roughly equivalent to a delighted: "Son of a BITCH!" or "Don't that take all!"; pronounced 'Em-bar-RAN-ar')
"Hand of Hate!" ([contraction of the rarely-heard "Feel the Hand of Hate!"] an expression only snarled at foes or victims being slain; rough equivalent of a real-world: "DIE, motherf*cker!")
"Holy Fist!" ("Jesus Christ!")
"Krisk!" ("Sh*t!")
"Lurruk!" ("Bloody hell!" or "Damn!"; pronounced 'LUR-uh-kh')
"Sark!" ("Blast!" or: "F*ck!")
"Talar!" ("Well, damn!" [a mild expression of surprise or dismay])
"Tondrabbar!" ("To the God!" [a war-cry or exulting expression uttered when an offering is touched aflame or broken, a foe is struck, or an attack is launched (i.e. it would be the first shout of a surprise attack); pronounced 'Tawn-DRAB-bar')
"Whiteblood!" ("Bloody hell!" or "Jesus f*cking Christ!" [profane shock or disgust])
T
his is of course the very sort of detail dropped because of the original TSR Code of Ethics AND the desire to simplify speech (doing away with dialects/accents, and so on) to make the game more accessible when it first appeared. If your players don't feel comfortable using any of these expressions, or they seem silly when uttered, don't use them. Bane will understand.


Red Knight curses:

Obscenities uttered by faithful of the Red Knight when personally upset include these:
"Alavaerthus!" (equivalent of "God-damn-it!" or "Jesus f*cking Christ!" [this word, pronounced "Alah-VAER-thus," was the name of a member of the Fellowship who had a large hand in founding the church of Red Knight, but went mad in a battle and sent his forces to their dooms through a series of stupid or reckless commands; "playing Alavaerthus" is an informal Fellowship expression meaning to 'totally screw up')
"Blood of the Lady!" (equivalent of "Oh my [insert strongest personal obscenities here] God!" [used as a stronger replacement for "Alavaerthus!")
"Checkmate!" (formal, usable-in-polite-company equivalent of "Damn!" or "(censored)!" or "Blast!" [invoking the name of the Lady's blade])
"Keltor!" (equivalent of "Damn!" and pronounced as "KEL-tor" [spat out swiftly])
"Teskyre!" (equivalent of "Sh*t!" and pronounced as "Tess-kEYE-ur")
"Witless!" (equivalent of "F*ck!" [the strongest personal oath of a faithful of the Red Knight alludes to stupidity in strategy or tactics])


Now, a few 'polite oaths,' that can be used in front of priests, or by one priest to another, without any rebuke or sin at all:

"Blood of the god!" [also uttered as: "Blood of Tempus!"]
"Hooves!" [a reference to the mounts Tempus rides or stands on, Deiros and Veiros, and therefore to the god at work]
"Steel!" [short for "Thirsty steel!" (this longer form is now very rarely heard), and expresses an eager desire to take part in battle]
"Sword and Stars!" [a saying derived from the belief that stars flash to mark the god's approval when a favored attack is made or a champion draws his or her sword for purposes of battle]
"Warhorn!" [short for "Warhorn forlorn!" (a line from a temple hymn about aid arriving too late to save the lives of heroes dying heroically in a 'last stand' because they upheld their duty rather than departing and so saving their lives), and expresses regret at a battle defeat or at poor tactics that resulted in losses because allies or sword-comrades came too late, or went in the wrong direction, or chose opponents or terrain poorly]
"Zelzing!" [a word from an old, now-lost battle song of Tempus, that poetically described the sound of ringing swords in battle; this is now used triumphantly to mark a blow struck, or battle joined, or a foe struck down]

And now, the "hard swearing" indulged in by believers in Tempus who have lost their tempers and let lapse all guard over their tongues. As usual, I've provided modern real-world equivalents in parentheses. Almost all of these words derive from ancient temple cant of the Wargod, now forgotten except for these oaths and a few sacred phrases used in altar prayers.

"Arntarmar!" ("Jesus Christ!"; pronounced "Arn-TAR-mar!" [Arntarmar was a long-ago mortal war-hero who worked wondrous victories in the name of Tempus, and died willingly on a battlefield to allow wounded and children to escape while he singlehandedly held off a vastly more numerous foe in a narrow gorge])
"Caztul!" ("F*ck!" [profane shock or disgust] and pronounced "CAZZ-tuhl")
"Gelkor!" ("Sh*t!"; pronounced with a hard 'g': "GEL-kore!")
"Harcrimmitor!" (akin to shouting: "DIE, motherf*cker!" and pronounced: "Har-CRIM-ih-tor")
"Kelstyn!" ("Blast!"; pronounced: "KEL-stinn!")
"Malagard!" ("Well, damn!" [mild surprise or dismay])
"Ralimralar!" (a delighted: "Son of a BITCH!" and pronounced: "RAL-im-RAL-ar!")
"Sakros!" ("Holy crap!" [astonishment, not necessarily bad] and pronounced "SACK-roe-sss")
"Talandor!" ("Bloody hell!"; pronounced: "Tel-an-DOR!")


To tide you over on the swearing, here are just a few key words, with various regional variants given (I'll leave the more colourful genitalia descriptors for the full piece):

(non-deity-specific) damn! = hrast, hrammar (hur-RAST, hur-RAM-uh) ["hrammar" is southern]
sh*t! = naeth, naed, orbal (NAY-thh, NAYdd, ORR-ball) ["orbal" is southern]
f*ck! = tluin (tuh-LOOO-in)
f*ck you/f*ck off = sabruin (sah-BROO-in)

These two miscellaneous curses have also been introduced by Ed, and I believe the latter's been used in novels (I seem to recall Schend using it in either Blackstaff or Blackstaff Tower): Haularake, stlarn (something akin to "damn it" and "f*uck", IIRC)

These've been compiled by Dagnirion/Lord Karsus, but I recognize several of them from canon sources. I don't guarantee they're all correct, though:

Quote from: "Dagnirion"Elven:Biir is a term that is translated into 'garbage/waste', and is used in the context of calling someone else garbage.

Dhaerow, we know, means ‘Face of Shadow/Traitor’, and is used in the context of equating someone to a Drow.

Filliken is a term that is translated into 'open skirt', and is used in the context of calling someone a prostitute.

Hahlorkh is a term that means 'Un-Elflike Butchers and Savages', and is used in the context of insulting another Elf.

Lorkh is a term that means '‘Savage Butchers who Lost Their Elven Nature Long Ago Through [savage] Behavior’, and is a grave insult to any Elf.

Saurot is a term that means 'Taint/Rot', and is normally used to refer to something that N'Tel'Quessir do to a lesser quality than Elves. A drink, for example, would be described this way. It can also be used to describe a person.

Vyshaan, as we know, means 'Power Mad', and is used to equate someone to the Vyshaanti, which is a grave and vile insult among Elves.

Fuck the fucking fuckers!

One of my favorite IG/IC cusses has always been "troll-dung!" (it covers alot)

And D&D (or NwN) is not ancient earth, nope, nope, nope. So comparing words from our history with what is used IG/IC is silly. Use what ever you like and if somebody says "Holy Fuck!" play it off and have your PC say "Holy who? Who is this god named Fuck that you worship?" And let the player try to explain the meaning of 'fuck'...

I had like a five minute dialog with another PC about a 3rd characters use of some word (in elvish I think) that I never heard of that I had my PC translate as "assaflappin" or something.

Here... New Gnomish word...
Motherfuckincocksuckinsonofabitchinslutfacedwhore...
Damn gnomes and their long words.

Gnomes only talk like that in Dragonlance. Don't associate the Forgotten Folk with those nutjobs! :(

Personally, I prefer imaginative or setting-specific phrases. I don't mind the occasional "fuck", but I'd rather hear "Beshaba's bosom!", "Bane's black heart!" or something obscure like "sandstone!"

Quote from: Barehander;166427Gnomes only talk like that in Dragonlance.

Who says?
One city of gnomes (or whatever race) and another may speak as different of the same language as American english and England english or Spain spanish and Mexican spanish. Accents and slangs, even amongst same races don’t all have to be exactly the same. To me a fag is a gay man, to somebody from England it's a cigarette (I believe), yet we speak the same language.

One races definition of the word fuck and another’s may be the difference between a compliment or an insult.

Quote from: RIPnogarD;166434Who says?
One city of gnomes (or whatever race) and another may speak as different of the same language as American english and England english or Spain spanish and Mexican spanish. Accents and slangs, even amongst same races don’t all have to be exactly the same. To me a fag is a gay man, to somebody from England it's a cigarette (I believe), yet we speak the same language.

Well, of course it might be a word in a certain gnome community. I was more referring to the common misconception that gnomes in the Realms are same as gnomes in Dragonlance: crazy inventors who ramble extremely fast and don't pause between words. Faerûnian gnomes are simple rural folk who enjoy life and crafts. But I digress! I thought that was what you were referring to, too, so sorry if I got confused.

Just wait until I fix my Internet... I shall have Siarry despoil this server with a veritable volley of inventive invective the like of which will turn the air blue, scorch the eyebrows off small children and render the sending system acoustically sub-optimal for at least a month. This. I. Swear.

Until then, keep up the cussin' :)

Quote from: Snoteye;166438

[SIZE="7"]ASSCHAPS[/SIZE]

i think curses are primarily used to offend people and this helps me want to use fuck more

So... It offends someone or breaks immersion for someone, and you want to use it more for that reason? Am I reading that right?

Have some style, please, and think about the other players, once in a while it's okay, but all the time and you're just annoying. You can insult and offend our characters without insulting and offending we the players, and I think you're all imaginative enough to come up with ways of doing such, it's quite easy.

Overuse of the word 'fuck' brings the overall quality of the server down. If you refuse to think of something more creative than the word 'fuck' to use when such an opportunity is certainly there, then you're just being lazy. Please also realize that being as imaginative and fun to play with as possible is to everyone's advantage, including yours, as if you are not fun to play with, people will not show you the OOC Courtesy often showed to others, such as waiting that extra few minutes while you wait for someone to show up for a quest, among other things.

lol

here's my style: FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!

overuse of any word/phrase 'BrInGs ThE QuAlItY oF tHe SeRvEr DoWn'

if i had a like a nickel for every time someone said 'to hell and back' and a dime for every time someone said 'fuck' i would bet on the former

in all seriousness though, fuck is undoubtedly frowned upon for whatever reason, and i like to use it sparingly as everyone else already said like 20 times in this topic

oh and you're pretty delusional

Aside from arguing over quality of the server and freedom of roleplay, personally, I think it is quite simple. If it fits the time and place, go ahead dock workers are supposed to be crass and rude. Most normal people reserve swearing for 'special occasions' (stubbed toe, drunken stupor, bad day, etc.) so if you don't jump around and start swearing like a crazed 7th grader I don't think anyone will mind it being used once and a while.

I think I talked to most every NPC in the Dock's district and I bet close to half of them have the word "fuck" in their script. ;)

Quote from: SLIM;166594I think I talked to most every NPC in the Dock's district and I bet close to half of them have the word "fuck" in their script. ;)

Which is just poor writing. :/

Righto, i think everyone's got the fucking message.

Quote from: Snoteye;166601Which is just poor writing. :/

Fuck you.

Ba-dum-tch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0PIdWdw15U).

"Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully."
-Mark Twain