Secutor

2006-09-01 00:13:24 UTC

Here is a smattering of things I have come across which I would like to suggest:

- The Society Tokens handed out by Armand Waters for the Hook Horrors quest be identified. I beleive it to be odd that Armand would give adventurares tools to help in their fight against aberrations without telling them how they work.

- The scribed notes, when dropped on the ground, could show up as a papersheet placeable using a system much like alchemist fire barrels and corpses.

- I am not certain if these are intended or not: Goblin Archers are not evil and normal Hook Horrors are not evil. When on the goblin quest and the Hook Horror quest and everything else is evil when these particular creatures are not speaks "unintended" to me. I suggest making these two monsters evil, though I am not so sure about the Hook Horrors. Is there a reason the greater and elder Horrors are evil whereas the common Horrors are not?

Arkov

2006-09-01 00:30:27 UTC

#38428

Secutor - The Society Tokens handed out by Armand Waters for the Hook Horrors quest be identified. I beleive it to be odd that Armand would give adventurares tools to help in their fight against aberrations without telling them how they work.

I'm pretty sure that's a bug. Fixed.

Secutor - The scribed notes, when dropped on the ground, could show up as a papersheet placeable using a system much like alchemist fire barrels and corpses.

This would require a bit of work. I wouldn't necessary be against it, except that it still wouldn't let you read the notes without picking them up, which is the only major benefit that I could see such a system having. If we could get our SetDescription(...) function working ... *prods RD* ... then this would be an excellent approach.

Secutor - I am not certain if these are intended or not: Goblin Archers are not evil and normal Hook Horrors are not evil. When on the goblin quest and the Hook Horror quest and everything else is evil when these particular creatures are not speaks "unintended" to me. I suggest making these two monsters evil, though I am not so sure about the Hook Horrors. Is there a reason the greater and elder Horrors are evil whereas the common Horrors are not?

Blame Bioware. Quite a few of the standard creatures that should be evil aren't, because Bioware decided (for whatever reason) to make their templates have a Chaotic Neutral alignment. Unless we create custom versions of all of these creatures, this isn't something that can be changed.

Secutor

2006-09-01 00:41:56 UTC

#38432

Thanks for the fix on number one. That's been bugging me for a while. As for three, would it be difficult to creat copies of the bioware monsters, change the alignments, and then replace the standard monsters with the new custom monsters in the module?

Arkov

2006-09-01 00:53:28 UTC

#38433

Secutor Thanks for the fix on number one. That's been bugging me for a while. As for three, would it be difficult to creat copies of the bioware monsters, change the alignments, and then replace the standard monsters with the new custom monsters in the module?

It could be done, although I'd be loathe to do it for a large number of monsters because it uses up space in the module without providing a major benefit. It can certainly be done in specific cases. For those cases, we'd need to identify exactly what changes need to be made, and track down every time that the creature is referenced anywhere in the module. This is possible to do, but it's not easy.

Fish

2006-09-01 01:10:04 UTC

#38435

Add Allignment Shift to their spawn script perhaps?

Arkov

2006-09-01 02:01:57 UTC

#38446

Could work. I'll experiment.

Oroborous

2006-09-01 02:48:43 UTC

#38450

It'll work. Just check creature tag on spawn.

Arkov

2006-09-01 02:54:08 UTC

#38451

Excellent. After discussing this, though, it appears that Hook Horrors are actually supposed to be neutral (they are unnatural aberrations, but, being simply mindless predators, they lack the capacity for any genuine moral alignment).

If somebody could put together a list of all of the standard palette creatures that Bioware did mess up the alignments on, that would be excellent.

Secutor

2006-09-01 05:44:03 UTC

#38466

If that is the case (hook horrors being mindless aberration without alignment disposition) then why are greater and elder hook horrors evil, and why does Armand give out protection from evil tokens?

Are the greater and elder horrors considered more intelligent and thus able to choose an alignment?

Snoteye

2006-09-01 18:09:49 UTC

#38543

BioWare's alignment screw-ups:

Monster: NWN: PnP:

Ettercap CN Usually NE Hook Horror CN Usually TN Winter Wolf CN Usually NE Worg CN Usually NE Fire Giant (male) TN Usually LE Nymph LE Usually CG Lizardfolk Chieftain NE Usually TN Wraith Spider CG CE Shadow Mastiff CN NE Mephit (any) NE Usually TN Formian Myrmach/Queen TN LN Slaad (any color) NE Usually CN Death Slaad (Lord) CN Usually CE Werecat NE CG Wererat CG LE Mummy Lord CE Usually LE

I need something to do with my life.

Arkov

2006-09-01 23:00:33 UTC

#38587

Hrm, according to that, Hook Horrors are indeed evil, as I originally thought. What's your source for that?

Snoteye

2006-09-01 23:07:06 UTC

#38590

I made a mistake there, it was supposed to read neutral, not neutral evil. And my source is MMII.

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