Magic_salesman_shadow
2006-05-16 22:02:12 UTC
#19577
I have one small question: is full Looting dissalowed? I have done it to 5 or 6 people who have dealt with it IG, and i have had it done to Frelt alone 3 times, and have dealt with it IG, but yesterday i full looted a certain Stanely Shunpike. The day after, being the day i'm writing this, quite a few people made an OOC fuss of this, and i have been informed it was not allowed, which leads me to the start.
Summary: If you can't be bother to read my rambling, read here
is full Looting dissalowed/ strong discouraged?
Oroborous
2006-05-16 22:09:41 UTC
#19578
Its allowed. I do it all the time.
Magic_salesman_shadow
2006-05-16 22:14:39 UTC
#19580
And sorry for putting it in the Prelude. Just realised i did that >.< but kk then, thanks.
Howland
2006-05-16 22:35:19 UTC
#19584
It's very bad form if you do it someone who just died to a monster while you were on a quest with them.
MadCaddies
2006-05-17 01:10:11 UTC
#19600
It also should be done within IC contraints, dependent on the situation.
To full loot someone would ICly take a long time. Unstrapping armour [thus turning the heavy body over multiple times], picking up every potion, all the gold, all their weapons. You would then have to add that all to what you were carrying. OOCly, full looting takes very little time [just a few quick clicks], and I dont think it fully represents what your character would acually have to do IG.
If you are out in the Underdark and have just PK'd someone, and it was the result of some build-up RP, then yeh, full loot. But I seriously dont think it would be the same case if, for instance, you full looted someone in a back alley in lower.
ICly, its still a public place. While there may not be any actual NPCs in sight, this doesnt mean that there arent any IG. Of course, every single denizen of Sanctuary cannot be represented mechanically. If you killed somoene in a back alley, there would have been noise, perhaps a scream or two. Your character, unless utterly stupid, after killing his opponent, would wanna get out ASAP. Grabbing his gold pouch, some of the useful potions and maybe a ring or amulet or something easily taken, leightweight and hideable would be the IC thing to do.
So to recap, full looting is fine, but I beleive it should be done within IC parameters.
ExileStrife
2006-05-17 03:27:21 UTC
#19611
MadCaddies
...I beleive it should be done within IC parameters.
Just to restate, you cannot go wrong with an IC action. Unless it's logging to escape the dm discussion area. :)
MadCaddies
2006-05-17 03:34:45 UTC
#19612
What I meant was full looting someone in less than 10 secs RL in a public area, thinking no one may have seen you.
Magic_salesman_shadow
2006-05-17 07:05:03 UTC
#19634
It was on a Quest, and the person logged just after they died so i had no way of knowing if they perma-died or simply got pissed off. Therefore i took all his things and donated it to the House of Light. But this is all sorted now.
Coldburn
2006-05-17 10:28:45 UTC
#19675
Player versus Player: Full loot is go.
Player versus Enviroment: Full loot is very sad.
My opinion, but rules don't prohibit it. Bear in mind, though, that you show absolutely no courtesy to the other player. And once you arrive at that stage, that you don't show consideration for the other players, I think it's time you leave the server.
Wrexsoul
2006-05-17 13:26:08 UTC
#19697
Personally, I would, out of OOC courtesy, never fully loot someone I knew was coming back alive. Generally, when a death is satisfying for a player, they decide to retire their character, since it has met a worthy end. By the same logic, if someone is coming back, they are obviously not satisfied with their death, and most likely already upset by their severe exp loss, perhaps frustrated about the way they died, and so forth. Adding the burden of them coming back only to find a torch and a citizen stone in their backpack, I feel is OOCly pouring large ammounts of salt in their wounds. And I would -really- hate myself if I later found out that the player quit because of this added disappointment (and yes, even good roleplayers and cool people can get fed up and leave due to something like this; It has happened).
I also would not take anything that I know, or guess that the player OOCly is very attached to, without offering a way for them to get the object in question back, via a ransom, or similar.
To sum things up, I feel that full looting a non-retired character is purely based on OOC greed, and should generally be avoided. However, there are of course exceptions. But generally, I'd avoid it.
Mandatory disclaimer of this being mine own opinion, and having absolutely nothing to do with rules or DM judgment of any kind.
Paha Poika
2006-05-17 13:41:21 UTC
#19700
I'm with Wrex here, also, it's my own opinion.
Although, in my case, I wouldn't loot items that I for sure know that could be recognized easily, if I wouldn't have a real reason for it ( I wasn't hired to get it or I couldn't sell it to someone secretly or etc. )
But, I could take something if I IC would see it useful for my characters purpose.
Magic_salesman_shadow
2006-05-17 19:27:29 UTC
#19730
The thing is, Frelt is the only character i do it with. On most of my other chars i would leave them, take their things for safe-keeping, or take a few of their things. It is very IC, i don't just take their things and walk off. I RP lumbering about with a lot of new things, acting shady, guilty quite often (when Frelt's in a childish mood) So i think that excuses the OOC bit, and also i don't mind if it happens to me. If the character would do it, go for it, my belief. Just checking if it was actually allowed, i honestly don't care about what people think of me as a person.
Entar
2006-05-18 07:50:49 UTC
#19813
Well, if your comrade falls in combat, your character may or may not try to heal him. A good character will do his best to save him. A neutral character might make an attempt, depending on the situation. An evil character will be thinking of his own well-being at the moment, and if you were overwhelmed, he would grab the pouch and run away.
One must be ready for the consequences. The former... If your comrade survives he will thank you and be a close friend of yours, and will most likely return the favor if given the chance. If the latter, the guy might wake up and come after you. Unless dealing with particularly intelligent enemies, of course, when your character can try to bluff that the monsters took the gold.
If your character isn't too strong (mage/rogue, anything) and isn't a complete doofus, he will not pick up loads of weapons and gold to hinder his movements.
Tristan
2006-05-18 08:58:34 UTC
#19825
Well if you were evil, wouldn't saving their life be more to your advantage in the long run?
Paha Poika
2006-05-18 09:15:15 UTC
#19827
It's all about the character, and their way of thinking.
chaosprism
2006-06-05 09:17:11 UTC
#23139
The character here looted gold from somebody who fell while he was invisible to save his life, he took advantage of the engine.
If this was PnP the others around would have seen the her clothes being ruffled by something invisible, and then having seen him appear from his invisible state would have blamed him.
The character (the halfling) who was looted was a newish player as far as I know. (seraphina) Not a great impression of the server from other players.
To me it's just another prick using the "engine" to excuse their reprehensible behaviour to other players.
Saying that he had +16 hide when he was clearly invisible by potion and he was a wearer of metal armor and a tower shield, is a bit beyond the pale.
Maybe it doesnt matter, maybe this sort of behaviour to other players is reasonable from some point of view.
To me it's not far removed from PKing somebody without their consent just because you "can" or trying to justify it by their character's alignment, affiliations or beliefs.
Picking on somebody you know hasnt the "power", "level" or "ability" to recover the lost items. It's easy to be the 'big' man when you're in a superior position.
So you tell me, is this behaviour reasonable?
Paha Poika
2006-06-05 10:18:13 UTC
#23144
Depending of place and time, I would say it is possible and it is not. If this happened like in rock bottom, I would rather much whoop the player as they cannot say wether the guard would spot/ see them as we can see invisible if we wish to.
And for second, this is not place to handle these things. This way you just set every player in server to either hate or reject the player you accuse of doing something.
Howland
2006-06-05 14:16:57 UTC
#23187
That player is a player who has previously had two (now three) sets of cd keys banned, as he is evidently quite persistent in trying to get to play here. Please tell the looted player to find a DM if you ever see the player.
A reminder, reporting problem players is always best done privately to the dm e-mail account.
LowestOfAllSinners
2006-06-06 14:17:12 UTC
#23337
About the looting thing.
Once I was questing and my character fell. The character had a lot of gold on him and when he got back it was all gone (took me a while because I didnt notice). I went on to handle it ICly and I ended up with half my gold back, the rest of it gone for saving my life (the situation as far as battle goes was pretty bad). I do not always remember or even think about how much time it takes to do something ICly like pick up a full plate of armor and to always remember to account for these details has been a problem for me. It may not accure to whoever is doing the IC injustice that the time they allow and rp he doesnt use to finish a crime, really affects what goes on about his self. And when someone corrects him, (it has happened to me) he might get a sore pride and become stubburn. Its just a thought on the other side. (though I try my best to fix my mistake most of the time there are time when I get flustered)
If something happens where people get flustered about someone else full looting a character you are not sure is coming back I just suggest dont. If you want to make sure their stuff isnt lost due to ooc resetting, message first then take the stuff. This is all merely suggestion. Taking a little from someone while they are down, I believe is ok. Just as long as you pay the consequences.
Hey if I was walking around with 10000 and I fell due to battle, I would hope that at least one of my party members would want a little of that dough.