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The Risen Sun Heresy

People of EFU, I Come to you today to speak unto you a Heresy not widely known, it's existence kept quiet, the heretics are about.

Risen Sun Heresy

The Brotherhood of the Glorious Sun has long existed within the church of Lathander, tolerated by other followers of the Morninglord and preaching that Lathander is the reincarnated form of Amaunator. Heretics of the Risen Sun take the Brotherhood's beliefs one step further into heresy, by preaching that the time of Lathander's transformation is nigh and Amaunator is about to return.

The leader of the Brotherhood of the Glorious Sun, Sunlord Daelegoth Orndeir, has embraced the Risen Sun heresy and now seeks to make it the orthodox sect of the church of Lathander. By the Year of Lightning Storms (1374 DR), Daelegoth has already begun a drive to recruit converts to the faith of Amaunator through preaching and performing miracles.

Followers of the Risen Sun Heresy believe that Amaunator is coming back, and try and convince others to do so. Strictly lawful, they can range from LE, to LG. However, they do worship Lathander (who is about to become amaunator) and generally follow his dogma when it suits them. (might be wrong)

So anyone wanna try and turn Lathander into Amaunator?

I'm with you.

And going by the strictly canon representation of the heresy, you're right in your facts. Clerics can only be LG or LN, though. If we have clerics.

I am going to be a wizard, school specialty abjuration.

I may be intrested in this. I would have to do some research but I would be aiming to play a cleric, spells or not.

Risen Sun heretics are granted spells by Lathander/Amaunator, and even have a distinct set of domains..

How this'd pan out on EfU though I have no idea. Application necessary?

To be 'official' members of this church, yes.

Followers of the Philosophy? No.

I think a LN cleric of Amaunator would work, or a LG cleric of Lathander.

I would be willing to run you guys a prelude for this.

!!!YES!!!

What times mort can you do this?

I think it is important to point out that the Amaunator under the dead deities section here on the EfU website is not the same "Amaunator" as the one worshiped by the Risen Sun Heretics.

The Amaunator worshiped by the heretics is really Lathander, and essentially what is going on is that Lathander is using the heretics to begin a transformation.

At present Lathander is the deity of youth. His outlook on the world is a bit naive and idealistic, believing in looking on the rosy side of things rather than focusing on the bad.

A marked characteristic of Lathander and his church is his constant and endless pursuit of battling evil and the undead. He constantly seeks to make the world a better place, and in his mind many of the evils of the world are laid at the feet of evil deities and their followers.

The transformation from Lathander into "Amaunator" is not so much Lathander actually becoming Amaunator, but rather Lathander assuming a new role and identity within the pantheon. In essence, he's stealing the name of Amaunator for himself.

You might think of it as his way of "growing up." He loses his naive and idealistic nature to be replaced by something more cynical and pessimistic. His rosy outlook is replaced by a more stern and austere personality. His church takes on a more militaristic feel, focusing its efforts less on making the lives of day-to-day people better, and more on the actual eradication and destruction of evil wherever it is found.

In 4th Edition Forgotten Realms Lathander has completed his transformation into Amaunator and is Lawful Good. If you want a general idea of what "Lathunator" looks like then you could draw inspiration from Horus-Re, though dropping the bits about Mulhorand and against ideas of change.

Laws as a whole take on a new importance. Ethical and moral laws in particular, that guard against corruption and sin. Lathunator can have Paladins (because he's Lawful Good), but they are on the smite happy side of things. The law of the land means less than the moral laws of Lathunator. If the government is corrupt, there is no reason the followers of Lathunator should follow those laws and no reason Lathunatorites shouldn't work to overthrow said government. Almost always they'd move to the side of theocracy.

I should note that all of the above is based off my interpretations of Lathander based on the lore and discussions with others. I really love the Risen Sun Heresy, but I am pretty sure you should send in an application.

I should also point out that the server has had those who were members of the Risen Sun Heresy before though the group didn't last long. I remember wern8 playing a Paladin in the group, they also had clerics.

As for the reasons you'd be in the Underdark... I like the idea of coming willingly. Your ideas of the Risen Sun Heresy could be that you are destined to spread the light of Amaunator everywhere, and thus to prove his glory you journey deep into the very heart of darkness itself. After months of travel, losing your supplies, being attacked and fleeing from Drow, having many members with you die, losing your equipment... you and a group of survivors find Sanctuary and then set out to make it your home, believing that "Amaunator" led you to the place and proclaiming it a holy city.

Really, before proceeding, you are going to need to sit down with a DM and talk things out with them. The Heresy might be different on EfU as EfU is not cannon. However, I can say with certainty that in the past Paladins and Clerics of Amaunator have existed on EfU. Your biggest challenge will be discussion with DMs regarding dogma, since you have a heretical cult you obviously do not work from the same dogma as the followers of Lathander.

I looked in some source books and online. I am infact willing to play a cleric. I'll probably have to write up an app because some of the domains are different, and so on.

Keep in touch with me Thomas, about this.

Indeed.

Let us set up a IRC channel so we can work on this

Work out the details. See who is interested. And I'll see when I can run it. I have no dates at the moment, but I will be fairly busy next week.

#RisenSunHerecy

Our Channel

We are going to make use Amaunator as the deity (Totally optional, yuo can be a lathander cleric as well if you want) and his domains so the DM's can do less work. However, we are still follow the tenets of the HErecy without being actual app members.

Courtesies of Meldread.

Suggested Dogma: All that leads to evil, treachery and chaos is the enemy and must be destroyed. Lead the faithful by example and let your deeds speak your intentions. Goodness and law come from serving Amaunator rather than fighting him. Laws exist to combat evil and wickedness, and bring prosperity to those who live under them. The High Sunlord of the church rules with the guidance of Amaunator. Protect the weak and innocent, for with the guiding hand of law, evil cannot survive.

Playing times for me are

7:00PM-10:30EST

If we can do this tomorrow, it's a just say When factor.

The Risen Sun Heretics

The Risen Sun Heretics are a group of religious individuals who split off from the Cult of the Risen Sun based in Eversult. The Heretics of the cult believe that Amaunator has chosen them to journey forth into the "heart of the darkest depths." Once there, they will work to bring forth eternal light and smite that which they feel is an affront to Amaunator.

They are a militaristic and zealous cult made up of many races, but despise most Underdark races and monsters, beings which dwell within darkness and therefore must be eradicated. This may also extend to Deep Gnomes due to their sensitivity to light.

Some major faction goals: - Retake New Dunwarren and claim the abandoned Temple of Tyr for the cult. - Battle against all monstrous races, generally perceived evil races (such as Drow and Duegar), and any race that is sensitive to light. - Work toward creating a "false Sun" over New Dunwarren similar to the one created over Eversult. - Focus strongly on conversion of other PCs and NPCs.

Dogma: All that leads to evil, treachery and chaos is the enemy and must be destroyed. Lead the faithful by example and let your deeds speak your intentions. The Laws of Amaunator lead only to goodness, and his laws must be raised above all others. Laws exist to combat evil and wickedness, and bring prosperity to those who live under them. The High Sunlord of the church rules with the guidance of Amaunator and his lesser priests. All secular laws must face the close scrutiny of the priests of Amaunator. Evil laws must be struck down, for they lead all of society into wickedness.

Cleric Alignments: LE, LG, LN, N Domains: Law, Sun

General Ethos: Generally cultists work toward the greater good, but favor law over good in many cases. They are militant in their views believing that the horrors of the Underdark can be held at bay through faith and constant prayers to their deity. There is a strong focus on ridding ones self of evil, and penances are frequently requested for infractions, believing that their souls will be cast into the Abyss should they fall out of favor with their deity.

They view Amaunator as a stern but benevolent deity working toward ridding the world of evil and making it better for all. They see themselves as particularly holy and special as they have been chosen to enter the darkest of places and bring light to it. Some arrogance can be assumed.

They are more concerned with their souls and the souls of others than the day-to-day struggles of the faithful. A hard life builds good character, the harder you struggle and the more you remain pure and good, the greater the rewards in the end. Life is merely a test of faith and character, and death is where the true faithful reap the rewards.

Thoughts? Tossing it out there to see what you guys think.

I like.

I could possibly get into this.

Nice information, but the domains are wrong according to a few sources I found, there should be more but I thin nwn only supports fire, for the extra ones.

EFU is supporting Law and Sun as amaunator domains.

Ah, oh well I am out then unless I can think of something else but I would like a cleric to have fire domain like the sources say.

Goodluck!

Of course, nothing says you cannot apply for the use of said domains.

Mort has given us a confirmed date, 9:00 PM EST on Monday. If you guys can hold out that long, we'll be cool. Precisely One week, 7 hours for now.

First it was one week from friday. Now a week from monday. :(

Don't whine, I don't believe you know of the importance and rarity of a Prelude.

I would prefer to start this after the ‘count down’ date anyway…

I also have an idea for Risen Sun ranking. (Sorry, I’m an honorably discharged vet and can be a bit militaristic at times.) Of course this is just a suggestion and can possibly be changed or improved.

Risen Sun ranks (Lowest to highest) [Enlisted] Private: The backbone of the army! Corporal: (Above private, in training to become non-commissioned officer/NCO)

[NCO’s] Sergeant: (Can be promoted to staff sgt or with proper authority become an Lt..) Staff Sergeant: (Promotes to Sergeant Major or with proper authority to Lt.) Sergeant Major: (Highest ranking NCO.) Most Lieutenants and even a few captains will not mess with this rank even though they technically out rank it. They would probably defer to the SM’s advice and then give the orders verbatim to his advice. Most people never obtain this rank and there is never more than one of this rank in any given force.

[Officer]/(prerequisite’s: 12 or higher in both Int and Wis and/or have written reference from a SM, Major or General)/(Technically all officers outrank enlisted and NCO’s.) Lieutenant: (Lowest of commissioned officers. Follows orders of all officers, does not have to obey enlisted men but will take advice from some NCO’s based their time in service.) Captain Major General: (Most people never obtain this rank and there is never more than one of this rank in any given force.)

Note: Proper authority = Meets the officer prerequisites.

We'll work out Rank IG RIp, nice suggestions though.

I would like those involved in this plot or planning to be involved to head to the channel.

For the Prelude we have the following people:

TNVW RIP NOGARD Meldread Skrillix Wern8 Morva Humoresque

If you wish to sign up, and stay signed up, tell us now. If you are going to join the prelude just for the lols, please don't. I won't look upon you kindly if you do.

Speak to me or us at #RIsenSunherecy (Yes, I know it's mispelled, deal with it!)

As Kedrick will be pushing to clear the way later today for everyone to escape to the surface, it either means he's going to die in the attempt or actually make it....

So yeah, this means I'll definitely 100% be on this prelude and this character will be my main. And it looks like I won't be the only one seeking a new character on Monday!

Everyone interested should sign up so we can be awesome together.

This sounds like a good concept, but due to recent events I am through making good-aligned characters for some time. Soon it'll be my time to return to my roots of resisting authority in a chaotic manner. I look forward to being against you guys. As either a bug being crushed by your boot, or, DMs-willing, a nemesis to your cause.

The people signed in on this group so far are great RPers, I'd suggest joining them, if you aren't biased against Good-aligned PCs.

Due to a unfortunate lag death for my drow, and not having played a good character since I first joined the server. I'd like to jump in on this if possible.

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Who the hell said we were going to be good aligned? ^^, If you join this group, fully expect to get EVIL points. If you wish to play an EVIL cleric, make sure your deity is amaunator though.

The outlook on this group is diametrically neutral, good philosophies and evil philosophies can exist

Actually I just don't like the authority this group is sure to attain. Shoulda been more clear on that. I like making rebellious characters, not necessarily evil. Chaoitc Neutral or Neutral Evil all the way for me man.

So far!

Daemonic Daz TNVW Meldread Skrillix Morva Wern8 RIP nogard Humoresque Misterpain (Maybe) Bob7el Crimson Magician. (maybe)

Anyone else?

I love most of the people you're playin' with. Perhaps!

I can see this group escalating into a total faction dominance on the server. So if anyone cares to make another faction/group idea, feel free, because having one group with most of the power is rather boring. Variation is the key!

I highly recommend EFU_Executioner's suggestion, I would dearly enjoy a faction that opposes us.

Or just a faction that has nothing directly to do with this one, except on the basis of individual character relationships. Polarization isn't the only option.

OOC recruitment is now closed. If I did not list you, you aren't going to jump on this prelude.

We can meet you in game and convert you however.

Good luck, guys! This is a mad time to start a faction :P

Thomas_Not_very_wise

Daemonic Daz TNVW Meldread Skrillix Morva Wern8 RIP nogard Humoresque Misterpain (Maybe) Bob7el Crimson Magician. (maybe)

I demand being higher on this list, or I am out.