Goblin Butcher
2008-07-29 18:18:18 UTC
#167106
Since a lot of quests now including isaac spouting mobs and such I'd like to see these implemented. The wand is only 1300 or something silly low like that.
Though I'd expect the potion form since it's considerably better to be about the same price as a Haste potion.
That is all.
Elf999
2008-07-29 18:20:33 UTC
#167107
Given wands can be crafted i am not sure why potions can't... it isn't *that* good of a spell as it only lasts a few rounds.
Thomas_Not_very_wise
2008-07-29 18:23:34 UTC
#167108
It lasts 5 turns. Longer than your blur potion. It also gives +4 ac, and makes you immune to the issaac spells.
It's badass.
Egon the Monkey
2008-07-29 19:44:05 UTC
#167116
Erm, they exist. I've got one on at least one of my PCs. Or, is it that they are uncraftable?
MadCaddies
2008-07-29 22:35:13 UTC
#167139
We'd prefer to see these rare.
wcsherry
2008-07-30 00:01:08 UTC
#167155
Indeed,
And rest assured there are those of us that are not fond of it being sold in wand form as well. It is contested, yet indeed should be rare.
ExileStrife
2008-07-30 03:36:05 UTC
#167175
Goblin Butcher, you know just as well as us that these are so much better than just the missle immunity.
Goblin Butcher
2008-07-30 04:34:19 UTC
#167178
I do indeed know this, if that is the stance I firmly believe that wands need to be removed immediately. Considering they're 25 charges of it :/
Goblin Butcher
2008-07-30 04:53:50 UTC
#167180
Thomas_Not_very_wise
Don't hate on wands!
Then don't hate on potions!
Dr Dragon
2008-07-30 04:55:13 UTC
#167181
know what just ban all potions and wands period THEIR DONE!
derflaro
2008-07-30 05:49:29 UTC
#167190
Goblin Butcher
I do indeed know this, if that is the stance I firmly believe that wands need to be removed immediately. Considering they're 25 charges of it :/
i don't see why potions of this are so bad compared to wands for 25 charges for 1200~ish gold are OK, at the least up the price of the wands by a big ass amount
Elf999
2008-07-30 16:40:12 UTC
#167241
Shield potions are no better than Barkskin or blur potions really.
Blur gives DR and 10% chance to miss and barkskin lasts for ages and is +3 AC. They are all about even to me.
The Crimson Magician
2008-07-30 17:12:48 UTC
#167242
Blur also gives immunity to spells from circles 1 and 0, which actually seemed to absorb Isaacs Lesser Storm. Not sure :shock: It is actually a pretty awesome spell, though.
Goblin Butcher
2008-07-30 22:19:00 UTC
#167269
Blur does not absorb isaacs I assure you.
Oh and to Elf999 I wish I could have suckered a few shield potions out of you XD
Shield gives you +4 ac that stacks with all other ac on efu.
Basically you can use barkskin, Divine Shielding, shield and haste to get a MASSIVE amount of ac >.>
Kaelle
2008-07-30 22:46:24 UTC
#167277
If you want to nerf Shield, then change it to give Natural AC instead of deflection so it doesn't stack with bark
Anonymous
2008-07-31 03:02:18 UTC
#167297
Shield does not stack with divine shielding, PFE and whatnot, because it is deflection.
It's not THAT good when it comes to AC wise since most people have a +2 from PFE anyways. Even though yes, the other +2 can make a big difference.
Goblin Butcher
2008-07-31 05:02:18 UTC
#167304
Anonymous
Shield does not stack with divine shielding, PFE and whatnot, because it is deflection.It's not THAT good when it comes to AC wise since most people have a +2 from PFE anyways. Even though yes, the other +2 can make a big difference.
Shield is NOT deflection ac it is SHIELD ac thus the only thing that it does not stack with is if you have a shield +1 (and even then it gives a decent boost)
Check mechanics before you comment on them!
Cruzel
2008-07-31 05:07:04 UTC
#167306
I have cast shield of faith before and then drank a shield potion because I was being hit with magic missle. My AC remained at 30 (Barks, shield of faith, magic vestment)
It does not stack, from what I have seen on EFU
Goblin Butcher
2008-07-31 05:14:13 UTC
#167308
Cruzel
I have cast shield of faith before and then drank a shield potion because I was being hit with magic missle. My AC remained at 30 (Barks, shield of faith, magic vestment)It does not stack, from what I have seen on EFU
You had MAGIC VESTMENT placed on your shield no doubt. (Magic vestment on shield counts as + shield ac thus won't stack with shield)
_trendymonster_
2008-07-31 06:03:09 UTC
#167314
Magic vestment doesn't work on shields.
Goblin Butcher
2008-07-31 06:16:28 UTC
#167322
Er yes it does Ghyrrt, you can place it on your shield to make your shield a + shield same with your full plate, your thinking of divine shield I think or just trolling. >.>
_trendymonster_
2008-07-31 06:18:08 UTC
#167323
It's been changed for EfU idiot.
MadCaddies
2008-07-31 06:18:16 UTC
#167324
Dodge is the only type of AC that stacks, and Shield potions don't need a nerf but we'd like to keep them rare- and for the record, I'd support a doubling in their price in wand-form!
Goblin Butcher
2008-07-31 09:22:28 UTC
#167345
_trendymonster_
It's been changed for EfU idiot.
y u say dat? :'(
But it will still add ac regardless of any clerical buffs available. Shield spell counts as having a + shield so long as your shield isn't magical it'll stack with that ac from my experience using em.
dragonfire9000
2008-07-31 16:08:36 UTC
#167371
Guys, I'm no' a DM, but keep a civil tongue. I could see this degenerating quickly into something no one wants it to be.
Howland
2008-07-31 19:58:38 UTC
#167408
Please be nice to each other.
The "Shield" spell does indeed give +4 AC deflection, which does not stack with the AC bonus from either Protection from Alignment or Divine Shielding (or AC from rings and cloaks). By default it gives immunity to Magic Missile, in EfU we have scripted it to provide immunity to missile storms.
The decision to not allow it to be crafted into a potion was made in the context of how the server was three years ago, it's possible that could be re-evaluated, but I don't think the comments made in this thread will have much impact on that decision.