Really, it's obscene.

They are like living loot chests, easily farmeable. I bet I could get 1000 gold off these if I wanted to farm them.

I suggest making there loot drop MUCH lower, and there gold drop 10 gold or less.

They eat adventurers for breakfast.

Then have expensive bowel obstructions all day

And then you kill them.

Why don't you feel their pain? :(

COnsidering there are a lot tougher beasties out there- Umberhulks are underpowered and over looted.

Look at it from the point of view of a player who's not using an Aberration-hunting ranger loaded up to kill that sort of thing :wink: . They are big, scary, have mindspells and can tear you a new one, as they spawn in areas really close to the city and a a serious threat to newer characters. Surely the loot should be reasonably good. I remember fighting them at the gates once and the loot was good but still...

Egon the Monkey Look at it from the point of view of a player who's not using an Aberration-hunting ranger loaded up to kill that sort of thing :wink: . They are big, scary, have mindspells and can tear you a new one, as they spawn in areas really close to the city and a a serious threat to newer characters. Surely the loot should be reasonably good. I remember fighting them at the gates once and the loot was good but still...

Compared to just as, if not more dangerous spawns (I.E Deep lizards) They are pathetic.

They give WAY to much loot.

Let me say this- I found 56 gold, a rangers band, and a scroll of circle of doom.

It shouldn't drop.

Yeah, that's good loot. Only time I got the chance to loot Hulks was that time they raided the gate, and I was picking up stuff like Chair clubs, Purple Crystals and a Removal Tome total.

Maybe they should have more flavour loot instead. More potions of protection from X, a unique Hulk drop that gives See invisible, stuff like that, and reduced drop numbers.

Umber Hulks eat adventurers for breakfast, Thomas. Surely they get the prize in every box.

THomas stop being sucha power gamer. Youd have to be a power gamer to find this out.

Dr Dragon THomas stop being sucha power gamer. Youd have to be a power gamer to find this out.

I don't think this is an appropriate comment. If you have problems with a specific player that is what the email is for! I don't think thomas is a powergamer even though I don't entirely agree with his original post.

Can I get DM input on this?

IMO, we'll arrange an umber hunting group that every reset run around and loot'em until the DM's have to change the loot drop.

I think that was just a really really lucky drop. I kill Umbers all the time and have yet to come out ahead in any fashion

I do believe this is an issue where a well equipped and prepared party will have little issue but an unprepared group will die and or be routed quickly.

Therefore I see no problem rewarding the group that is properly prepared to wander about the underdark.

....deep lizards have routed groups, they give no reward.

So what you're saying is buff deep lizard loot?

Seriously, Umber Hulks are nasty, they can spell the end of you quick. Beyond that, I'm pretty certain they are more intelligent then your average deep lizard, more likely to aquire loot. A deep lizard being an animal, it makes sense for it to have little loot.

Dr Dragon wrote: THomas stop being sucha power gamer. Youd have to be a power gamer to find this out.

I don't think this is an appropriate comment. If you have problems with a specific player that is what the email is for! I don't think thomas is a powergamer even though I don't entirely agree with his original post.

I think he was joking. Anyhow, I don't kill enough umberhulks to know anything about it, but I have killed one or two, and the loot was very mediocre. Maybe I have bad luck, idk. I think it's fine the way it is.

It's rip you a new one....

Anyways. For a guy who doesn't have a high mind save or gear that makes him immune to such things, umbers are terrifying. I had a level (7?) fighter/barb dwarf out in the 'dark, and he got utterly destroyed by only two! For those of you who knew Ulgar, he was no pushover. Also, I've never seen one drop anything of consequence, and I've killed many.

My two cents.

Wtf...I've killed loads of hulks with my ordinant and never seen any loot drop...this makes me sad face.

I agree with Damien and prestonhunt.

I've killed quite a few Umber Hulks with my Ordinant; mostly with other PCs involved (over an 18 month period),, and cant remember being royally rewarded with an uber Hulk loot drop. Sure there might be few coins, or a first or second lvl scroll drop occasionally. But certainly not every time.

Thomas, I think you got seriously lucky on those three items dropping into one Hulk spawn. I've seen that kind of uber loot random drop happen like twice ever. (Maybe I dont play enough :shock: )

I believe the Hulk loot drops are fine.

Hunting Umber Hulks is one thing. Umber Hulk Behemoths are a new breed of trouble alltogether. I'm sure they will mess you up, or drain your supplies big time, if you choose to fight them.

In the Monster Manual (3.0 Ed) Umber Hulks are Challenge Rating of 7. And in the 4th ed MM, they area rated as a 12 level Elite Soldier! Over the years Umber Hulks have been one of the nastier monster that you can run into.

Now since the server was patched to 1.69 file set. We know that it is running off the 3.5 rule-set basically. So that means just 1 Umber Hulk is going to be CR 7. And if you ran into more... that will up the CR. The higher the CR, the larger the XP/Treasure drop.

I myself have not fought any Umber Hulks yet on the server. But I would have to assume that the DM's would set them close too what they should be.

I will reconsider my points, but I've seen ranger bands drop, (+1 first circle ranger spell) and more while playing Hafur.

EfU is a non canon server loosely based off of the 3.0 rules, the recent patch had NOTHING to do with updating to 3.5.

We generally don't pay much attention to all to canon in terms of monster stats.