I've noted lately that True Strike, while a very good level one spell, can not be crafted in any way. No True Strike Wands, Scrolls, or Potions.

I've not seen the reasoning for this explained, or if this is even something the DMs decided, posted anywhere, but I assume it is because the spell gives a +20 AB on a server where AC rarely goes past 20 and almost never to 30 for players-some monsters go a bit higher. However, this does guarantee a solid hit with Disarm, Knockdown, Power Attack, etc.

I am just curious, would people prefer True Strike was nerfed to give +10 in exchange for being able to craft it onto scrolls and potions at least-or prefer it to remain +20? I'm tending to think it steals an edge that wizards can gain from the spell, and that some of the thinking behind the mechanic crafting changes by the DM was fear the spell could be abused by builds that use UMD or a single spell-caster level.

Another suggestion was made that has merit.

When you cast the spell it would be +20, but when you use a device to cast the spell (potion, scroll, item) it is only +10 AB.

It can be made into scrolls, though they are fairly expensive. I don't want to see it being a widely used spell, unless you have a different wizard/sorcerer build that is melee based.

It has to do with the spells duration; (Next attack or end of the next round) It’s because of this that it can’t be nerf’d into weapons anyway.

Relinquish It can be made into scrolls, though they are fairly expensive. I don't want to see it being a widely used spell, unless you have a different wizard/sorcerer build that is melee based.

Have you done this as of the last 24 hours? I just tried twice, can't do it.

Oroborous

Relinquish It can be made into scrolls, though they are fairly expensive. I don't want to see it being a widely used spell, unless you have a different wizard/sorcerer build that is melee based.

Have you done this as of the last 24 hours? I just tried twice, can't do it.

No- But I remember scholar buying scrolls of true strike. And being offered to buy scrolls of them in the past. Though the scrolls were slightly cheap for what they do and how it can be an instant win.

I think it should be +20 for the spell and items. Prices for any scroll or wand should be determined as the other spells of various degrees of power are.

If it hasn't been changed within the last two months it's possible to craft TS scrolls. Making potions would definately be too much, cause they could be abused a lot... I don't even want to imagine a half-orc barbarian using them.

True strike scrolls cost 125 coins compared to 25 for color spray or 45 for shield. I wouldn't call that cheap.

For what TS does for anyone with a bard/wiz/sorc level or UMD. It can turn the tide in a fight. There isn't an immunity to true strike. The best thing I see is just running away.

I would be much, much more in favor of scaling the power of TS by level. How so?

+1d4 AB per caster level

This way, it doesn't start having a dramatic effect on combat until about level 4; it isn't a guarunteed hit until level 7 or so. Also, this will greatly counteract its usefulness to the massive UMD or single spellcaster level styles without making it entirely useless.

This is assuming that, like other level one spells, it is cast from scrolls and potions at caster level 3, so you get a +3 to +12 attack on your next hit, and average of +7.5.

Oh, and I'd also favor a scaling duration bonus too. Standard duration until five spellcaster levels, when you get an extra three to six seconds. Might open up more possibilities for mages doing some crazy knockdowns on those Dire Elder Earth Elemental. Which would be entirely for the lulz, quite frankly.

Keep it as is, I say!

Scrolls of true-strike and spells for that matter are very easy to dodge as you see the caster prepare or read a scroll for a whole round and can easily just run away.

Potions of ts are the real deal, but they are pretty rare so I guess it's fine.

I Second Mort.

I would like to brew these, but meh.

They are very powerful.

I think it should be modified to work for Wizard's and Sorcerer's only. ;)

If you want to use True Strike, multiclass!

Leave as is. It's fine, imo.

Additionally, I scribed this yesterday. It works fine.

Retreat potion

Run for 8 seconds

Win

i am moth Retreat potion

Run for 8 seconds

Win

Invis+Stealth TS, IKD.

Then the issue may be a bug. Clerics can't scribe the scroll.

I think a spell that gives plus 20 AB and can be used in conjuction with other spells, such as haste and invisibility, should be less not more common.

This has to be a bug. We're not removing scribing of TS scrolls anytime, and potions will remain gifts for exceptional roleplay/difficult quests.

Relinquish

i am moth Retreat potion

Run for 8 seconds

Win

Invis+Stealth TS, IKD.

If you're being attacked out of invis + stealth, it's not TS that'll make the difference.

Leave it as it is.

No change, please.

In some cases, such as bard/fighters, bard/barbarians, it's perhaps too good. Yet for everything else having it as an expensive scroll is fine, I think. If they're coming out of invis, and they're a decent level though, they're going to have about 15-25 AB anyways and will cut through plate like butter. Yet it's a good way to hit people that are buffed to the moon and back, and in that case it helps end fights that otherwise would go on forever.

True Strike for clerics is under a EfU-custom domain. Spells granted by the custom domains are a bit shifty in that they are not eligible to be extended or empowered or stilled via metamagic feats, and cannot be made into wands or scrolls or potions.

Just a backlash from the original release of domain overrides.

My 2 Cents, Meow-Mix!

I've tried to make true strike wands as a mage and it's failed every time. I just accepted it at the time as either a mechanics rule or EfU specific limitation.

Scrolls could use an increase in price, IMO.

Activity.Series Scrolls could use an increase in price, IMO.

I'd agree with that too. 200-300 gold would be fine.

Rogue, stealth mode, true strike scroll, ranged weapon, sneak attack. Can you say sniper assassin...

Raising the price would keep this combo from getting out of hand, (specially in PvP).

Using True Strike rather kills stealth. It should kill Invisibility too if it doesn't.

RIPnogarD Rogue, stealth mode, true strike scroll, ranged weapon, sneak attack. Can you say sniper assassin...

Voted Other: Leave it be

Oroborous Using True Strike rather kills stealth. It should kill Invisibility too if it doesn't.

It doesn't kill Invisibility when you use it, No. Its counted as any other buff, non-hostile.

Jiachi I thought that was the whole goal of rogue+stealth+sneak attack? Need to qualify for that Prestige class somehow. Besides, how many ranks do you need in UMD for this to work consistently? Heck, lets top it off with cheap poison for lulz. 8)

Voted Other: Leave it be

Wizards beware; the scroll you sell today may be used to assassinate you tomorrow.

By the time they know what hit them it’s to late for the low hit point PC’s...

Guess the Spellguard should start to be afraid, then.

Keep it as it is, and keep it rare. If these things come into the player market that means I have to remake all my characters with IPA and I dont want that.

Oroborous Then the issue may be a bug. Clerics can't scribe the scroll.

Clerics don't have the Scribe Scroll feat.

They can take it as a class feat, though.

I don't think that True Strike is used enough IG to warrant a change. As it is, it's expensive enough to make it rare in PvP, and drops are minimal, restricted to displays of awesomeness in DM quests/spice. I think it's fine!

True Strike isn't going to be changed. Its pretty much perfect as is.

Caddies nailed it.

True strike scrolls for sales!

Best ink and parchment in town! Fair prices! Ask your favorite magical wares supplier!

Isn't true strike no longer able to be cast without armor spell failure in the new patch?

Relinquish Isn't true strike no longer able to be cast without armor spell failure in the new patch?

Jesus I hope so. That would make me happy!

1.69 should indeed fix broken component requirements.