Well according to a DM, I can't actually rip This thread Down.

The reason for this? "it will turn into a forum war"

Seriously, theres a few things to be said about that.

1) If you don't want to start a forum war - Dont allow people to POST things that will start one, especially not things where the only logical action is for the people in question to take them down.

2) If a post is going to have IC reprecussions, possibly resulting in a "forum war" Then these IC reactions should not be stopped by an OOC factor. It would Fuel conflict - Which I seem to recall DM's telling me was an important storytelling Device, and Conflict is what made a concept good.

3) It's completely rediculous this person can do this thing do our characters, and we cannot respond with the most logical action, because of how the other will respond to this conflict (I.E. reposting) To me this just shows sort of a hypocrisy. The DMs want conflict, yet don't allow us to persue it in the most logical IC means, because it will be more work for them.

I mean if someone puts up a note like this about you - What's the first thing you are going to do? leave it there and plot some huge shindig to find out who posted it? I think not. You're going to rip it down. Then plot the shindig.

Basically this is a rant to either have the topic in question Deleted, or to allow me to proceed ICly and rip it down.

I would prefer the latter, as I tend to agree- conflict makes this server so much fun, but to limit our Actions like this is just IMO totally wrong.

You can always react to stuff IG, instead of in the forums.

This "ripping off post" kind of thing simply leads to boring RP. It goes like this:

"Boo. I shoot you dead.

No I shoot you dead!

No I shoot you dead!

No I shoot you dead!"

You can always make a counter-poster. The most logical 'IC' course may not be the most creative and fun at times. Try to think outside the box!

True but makeing a counter poster just means they make one and so on leading to a guess what? Yep forum war. I mean at the end of the day i hardly think tearing down one goblin feces coverd poster is really going to make that big a deal.

Please note I'm opening my mouth without really understanding the situation, so I'm guesstimating what an appropriate response would be.

One of our biggest issues with posted bounties is that people tend to metagame the bounty's existence and beeline for it to destroy it.

I recommend that you get a DM to add it as a placeable IG, or spread flyers on the ground (also IG). Then, instead of having a post that represents the bounty, you have a post indicating that a bounty has been spread throughout a section of the city, and is more of a historical reference for people who weren't able to log on and pick up the actual item.

Those flyer bounties, man.

You can never get rid of all of them. :-D

Fake your death and send someone to claim the bounty?

Kill him?

Or put a counter bounty? It's what the NPCs are doing without turning it into a post-war: Here.

Or simply live with a bounty on your head... It's not the end of the world. There -arent- that many bounty hunters.

...Or if you cant take the heat, get out of the oven!

Why would anyone want to tear down a sweet bounty post like that? :(

Embrace the conflict! You must be doing something good if someone has gone as far as to post a bounty on your characters. Think of how many players and characters actually get this opportunity.

Again to be fair in this case the bounty is just right outside the crone virtualy and near as i can tell its only one copy. Add in the fact that friends of one of the bounties work in there. I just dont see the problem in tearing it down.

Also i would argue that in the case of something like a bounty it really should be put up Ig with a dm watching first since i would class that as something contreversial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuTi9UZtPbw

Edit: I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

ExileStrife Why would anyone want to tear down a sweet bounty post like that? :(

Embrace the conflict! You must be doing something good if someone has gone as far as to post a bounty on your characters. Think of how many players and characters actually get this opportunity.

Thats the kicker. Drin, well he's a paladin, theres fewer reasons not to try to kill him. Aside from a few mishaps like -a week ago, and pretty much all those PC's are dead (or I have made up with).

I cannot think of any reason whatsoever this bounty on me or Nelas is up, as we've not really done anything that I know of together that would piss anyone off this much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ns59Bmqpms

Alright. Well.

Cruzel, To address your points:

1) 1) If you don't want to start a forum war - Dont allow people to POST things that will start one, especially not things where the only logical action is for the people in question to take them down.

Things can be posted IG, but for a wide variety of people to read them, it is best to put the bulk of it On the forums. IG isn't persistent. A crash can wipe out a notice like this, hence why I chose the Forums as the medium.

2)

2) If a post is going to have IC reprecussions, possibly resulting in a "forum war" Then these IC reactions should not be stopped by an OOC factor. It would Fuel conflict - Which I seem to recall DM's telling me was an important storytelling Device, and Conflict is what made a concept good.

A number of characters -did- fuel contact by responding to the notice. [ripping down the notice] would just result in [replacing the notice], which on the forums, is not conflict in any sense of the word. People clearly supporting you made posts on your behalf, and it would be quite possible to group those people together for a massive "Goblin Hunt", that would get a good deal of the server involved.

For a goblin to have 7k gold, It would be safe to assume he is quite powerful, henceforth warranting you to gather a group of people to scour say, The Sewers, or the tunnels, or the machine, or any area you want to hunt down this goblin menace.

[ripping down notice then plotting], cuts off other people from getting involved in the plot, that could make it spread to the large proportions I mentioned above.

3) 3) It's completely rediculous this person can do this thing do our characters, and we cannot respond with the most logical action, because of how the other will respond to this conflict (I.E. reposting) To me this just shows sort of a hypocrisy. The DMs want conflict, yet don't allow us to persue it in the most logical IC means, because it will be more work for them.

Reposting isn't more work for me. Its one word.

[reposted]

Frankly, as I now have a bounty on my head, the most logical thing would be to gather the like minded people who supported me, and get them to kill you, or the bounty posters, before my goblin head is on a pike.

These things aren't done to maliciously kill characters, but they are done with the intent of spreading RP and conflict, which is what EFU thrives on, as you mentioned in your post.

Rather than [tears down post], gather allies and do crazy RP things, be it from spicing up a scripted quest "I hear there's a goblin camp near by. Maybe that damn rhyming goblin is there!", to leading people to explore the underdark. "Maybe someone at Mur has seen a rhyming goblin! Let us gather a group to go check there!".

Just a few ideas of how to run with the conflict. I'm sure you can think up more when you put some more thought into it.

I cannot think of any reason whatsoever this bounty on me or Nelas is up, as we've not really done anything that I know of together that would piss anyone off this much.

I think thats called FOIG. My additions to the bountys all have IG reasons.

Track him down and ask him. Pay for information. Kudos to the player of the Goblin, This conflict is astoundingly awesome.

Also. I did not mention that I am not going to simply 'rip it down' and then forget it, and go on with my life. I'm going to persue it IC, it just makes sense to rip the damn thing down, so no one gets any ideas in the meantime. -.-

Oh but thanks for the responses, Metro and Sherry. Can Really tell you want to help.

But on a serious note - Thanks Ex and ScottyB for at least adressing the issue, somewhat anyways.

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And blackdog. I'm not complaining about the conflict. I fully intend to look into this ICly.

But my point is this. If someone puts up a flyer saying they want you dead, and will pay people to do it - Most normal people will Take this poster down, before doing anything. Yes, It stops other people from getting involved, but its IC - Which is my entire point. The DMS are stopping IC actions for an OOC reason. This really puts a cramp in the style of some of the people involved, as the first answer most would just be - Rip it down.

It's an IC response, so we should be able to do it. it's just that simple.

and my Comment about it being more work - was adressed to the DMs for having to oversee a 'forum war'

But I disagree with just putting [reposted] As I doubt that ICly you'd be able to replicate the exact rhyme unless youdaved it somewhere. In which case it would be better to actually repost it. It's just as easy, and while it's longer, its abit more IC.

Well, it seems that it was addressed by the DMs before you even made the post, TBH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4RM1Iq-wg

"I would say Les Whinen ought to do more thinking, and less whinin'!"

seriously go find the guy IC and IG and do something about it and stop posting about it.

Metro_Pack Well, it seems that it was addressed by the DMs before you even made the post, TBH!

What, you mean this? [13:49] <Snoteye> If there's a reason somebody might object to your posting/ripping down a post, get a DM first. [13:49] <Cruzel> https://efupw.com/efu1-forum/topic/33/33988/posted-in-the-alley-by-the-crone/index.html <-- its this, a bounty on Drin, Nelas, and me. [13:49] <Cruzel> Other people have been tampering with it, I just want to know if I need a DM to completely 'rip it down' [13:50] <Snoteye> Oh, no ripping that one down. [13:50] <Snoteye> It'll start a forum war. [13:51] <Cruzel> Thats kind of lame though. They're doing something, and I cant even respond with the most logical action? [13:51] <Snoteye> Correct.

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Not really metro, Not really. I continued the conversation, or tried - To no response.

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Oh and, Seems this thread is more of a forum war than the other one turned out to be, and probably would've been. Responses that had nothing to do with it (thanks metro and sherry), and ooh, surprise surprising, conflicting opinions.

I can feel the lock coming now -

Just seroiusly. Don't stop us from doing an IC action. It's a RP server, and we get in trouble for doing shit for OOC reasons. So dont give us shit for trying to remain IC, please.

Probably a bad idea to post private conversations publicly on the forums.

No, it was settled on IRC when I told you not to do it.

What Sherry meant to say is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okS1u85MB1g

also http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gp2dokgYdDQ

Please trust us on this one. We have a certain amount of experience with issues of this kind. If we allow characters to just go back and forth with post-ripdown-repost-etc. the threads rapidly get very, very absurd.

Case in point.