"Goblin/Kobold PCs do not receive some of the protections listed here. They, along with application subraces, can be targeted legitimately at any level just for being what they are."

Does the opposite also apply? Just for being what they are, monstrous race PCs can attack at will any PC at any level?

Metro_Pack This is correct. Killing evil monsters is fine regardless of circumstance.

Does the opposite also apply? Killing as an evil monster PC is fine, regardless of circumstance?

S

Definitely not. While playing a monstrous PC, you must still adhere to our PvP guidelines. It is not an excuse to grief. That said, it is perfectly legitimate to target people who attack you.

Please excuse my lack of understanding. I just want to clarify some details and repeat what we've said so I have a clear rule statement to base my own actions off of.

Generally speaking and barring special circumstances...

It's a legitimate IC rational for non-monstrous PCs to kill monstrous PCs just because they are monstrous PCs. It's not a legitimate rational for monstrous PCs to kill non-monstrous PCs just because they are non-monstrous PCs.

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Generally speaking and barring special circumstances...

Are monstrous PCs treated as non-monstrous PCs in situations of intraracial monstrous PC violence?

Is it a legitimate IC rational for monstrous PCs to kill non-monstrous PCs just because they have killed other monstrous PCs?

Is it a legitimate IC rational for monstrous PCs to kill non-monstrous PCs just because they have killed other monstrous NPCs?

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Thanks in advance for taking the time to clarify.

No.

Yes.

No.

socialmisfit

Generally speaking and barring special circumstances...

Are monstrous PCs treated as non-monstrous PCs in situations of intraracial monstrous PC violence?

wcsherry No.

That would mean that it's a legitimate IC rationale for a monstrous PC to kill a monstrous PC just because they (the victim) are a monstrous PC. More specifically, it would mean that it's a legitimate IC rationale for a goblin PC to kill a goblin PC just because the victim goblin PC is a goblin.

Is that true?

Yes, you can kill other goblins for being monsters, if you are a monster!

socialmisfit That would mean that it's a legitimate IC rationale for a monstrous PC to kill a monstrous PC just because they (the victim) are a monstrous PC. More specifically, it would mean that it's a legitimate IC rationale for a goblin PC to kill a goblin PC just because the victim goblin PC is a goblin.

Is that true?

Insofar there aren't other (equally logical) in character reasons the races in question would not fight each other, yes. Any race that will fight members of its own race because of race is doomed to become extinct, making it an illegitimate IC rationale for killing. The rule does, however, apply to all monstrous races that are not members of the same race as the PvP instigator.

Interracial PvP between monstrous races does not need further in character justification; intraracial PvP between monstrous races does need further in character justification. PvP in this sense refers to actual combat -- not non-physical conflict, personal or not, between the involved parties, which is always encouraged.

Even though we appreciate your post, please read the rules of the DM Questions and Answers forum and please do not post in other peoples question posts.

Thanks, the EfU DM team

I've taken a day or two to make sure that I'm not just disappointed in Sherry's short remarks and Metro's apparent sarcasm, which I find are less than ideal examples to set for forum discussion. Although I'm certainly less than perfect, attitude reflects leadership, after all.

Metro's most recent correction of his statement in the "Goblin Town subforum" thread is still over inclusive based on your conclusion (which I whole heartedly agree with) that intraracial PvP rules for monstrous PCs are different than interracial rules for PvP between a monstrous PC and non-monstrous PC. Metro's current statement makes a refinement regarding "morality", but that still affects the real crux of the issue, legitimate motivation for engaging in PvP with monstrous PCs, and his statement is still overinclusive and therefore conflicting with actual policy as you have stated it.

I have been involved in intraracial PvP already, as you well know, and it's definitely a relevant and important refinement that shouldn't be lost in Metro's correction of his still incorrect statement.

Thanks again, Snoteye and Howland, for being dispassionate and tactful when addressing my sincere questions and issues.

Please do not mistake succinct responses for short remarks. As it is, it would appear your questions within this thread have been answered in a satisfactory manner. It would appear also that Oro's original question on the morality of killing monstrous creatures has also been answered by metro.

In closing I'd just like to mention that players are expected to use a modicum of common sense. This is an expectation we have never really been given any cause to regret. Obviously a goblin PC is not going to kill another goblin PC just for being a goblin for instance, and such an event has never happened to my knowledge. Thus we do not feel the need to examine the intricacies of the semantic nature of our rules to such an extent that we account for circumstances that are solved already by applying simple role-playing logic. Just remember these rules are not statutes or laws, and so should probably not be overanalysed! :wink: