"Cut my life into pieces, this is my last resort."

Just wondering if a chat script command could be made that would allow PCs to actually choose what size damage dice they wanted to roll that would actually inflict damage to themselves for roleplay effect. Example:

/c selfdamage roll 1d8 would give some minor damage as if you "cut" yourself. Or /c selfdamage roll 12d12 for some suicidal stuff. (too extreme?)

People, no doubt, get depressed here in this hole. heh. Anyways, the idea ran across my mind while watching a PC telling another PC to hit him so he could be damaged in order RP cutting himself. Figured, if the PC had the ability to just roll a selfdamage he could inflict a minor cut himself.

-Dreh-

/c seppuku IMO

/c emo

I agree. Although I recommend also an item that you can strap to your back, run at enemy's, and explode.

Srsly though, Good idea.

Hammerfist0 I agree. Although I recommend also an item that you can strap to your back, run at enemy's, and explode.

Srsly though, Good idea.

On topic: This has been suggested, and the general opinion about it was positive, but I don't think it was implemented.

This would be excellent for hurting yourself then saying other people hurt you, trying to get them in trouble. I very much agree with this suggestion and the only possible bad point I can think of would be if somebody made a macro out of it.

Also, if somebody kills themselves from this, make it count as dying to a PC so people can't kill themselves during PvP then respawn later.

I said it then, and I say it again.

Let there be self damage! Let you decide what damage you deal to yourself- so if you want to die, you can! Or would can throw your head into a wall a few times and blame the other guy!

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>_>

Please? I've really not enjoyed the ooc factor of killing people that kill themselves because they mechanically cant hurt themselves. Its just very drawn out and questionable, so I always end up looking for a DM first, and they've always said yes. Still.

Suicide should need a dm.

Minefield topic.

Oh dear god.

I fully oppose this idea.

Let's keep the emos off EfU please.

I'm sure the DMs are more than happy to do a suicide, if they are free.

As a masochistic cleric of a SM goddess, a little self inflicted pain would be superb.

I don't need suicide, just to be able to flog myself.

Let there be emo! Honestly.. This is one of the greatest ideas ever made. Much better than that crazy idea of making DangerousDan a DM- I mean there is no chance that will ever happ... Whaaa?!

So obtuse!

Just do it. :( Why not, u guyz?

Support.

This is silly.

Support.

I dont like it.

I think of this self-damaging command useful for inflicting minor damage to a player's PC instead of having another player attack him/her. As I said, I witnessed this today and thought it was extremely lame and immersion breaking; the intentions were clear and cool though. Yes, it could be "silly" if used improperly by some players, but let's face it, there's no stopping folks from doing lame things with their PCs; otherwise, it can be a good addition for people that wish to roleplay their PC that is in some particular crazy cult, or perhaps the PC is depressed, angry, or even...suicidal.

To speak on the suicidal note, I don't see it being a bad idea, but yes, it should be treated as a Perma-death. So, be careful when setting your damage die. :oops: Also, wtf is "emo" ? I'm missing out on something here.

-Dreh-

I'd thought my terse responses might dampen things somewhat, but alas..

It really is a minefield issue. For the sake of hypocritical sensitivity, I'd prefer if we didn't create a command like this, at least with the ability to kill your own character.

9troll.

This should not be difficult to add at all, but, you know -- political correctness and all. And we don't want our entire Sharran following to die in a week.

Its less about suicide as it is about being -able- to inflict damage on yourself.

This can be used for tons of little things, be that pointing the finger at someone else after running out of a room. Faking the severity of a certain event; Giving someone else an advantage in a dual; Threatening to kill yourself if you don't have any other hostages. >_> If well, the people you are talking to happen to care.

I would just want the damage to be limited if they didn't have a weapon- Otherwise maxing at -some- point per command. Leaving a delay here would give other people time to respond. Even if you stab yourself with a knife- it'll take a bit to actually kill you.

And as a safety feature for suicide, maybe it will only kill them if they happen to be on FD mode?

The point is rather simple. It does add another dimension into a scenario, and it essentially another tool for Rp. Sharran's could still kill themselves now. The reason that they don't is they haven't destroyed or crippled enough in their minds to please the great Nothingness.

Getting killed is easy to do if you want to. This is less about your ability to kill yourself, as it is about your ability to physically strike yourself for what ever IG reason. And they do exist.

What, are you afraid the FCC is gonna impose a fine on you, or a player's mother is going to wag her finger? I mean, what the hell? This isn't an "issue", it's a command to help facilitate roleplaying. Fine, take out the ability to kill yourself outright; maybe the furthest it can go is subduing yourself, but come on. There's a time to be concerned about offending people, and there's a time to realize that no, you don't actually have this: , nobody gave it to you, and you don't really answer to any oversensitive private group.

You people can really frustrate sometimes.

I can see the validity of this command, but I also see it being dangerous.

As someone who has worked counselling people who cut themselves, and have attempted suicide this command could cause serious issue for some people who play here.

You don't know what the past issues are of the players on EFU, and this could affect some people in a negative way.

Fantasy world, and a game, I am not sure we need to be seeing people cutting themselves and committing suicide.

So I would approve of such a command for hurting yourself to accuse someone else, but would like to see things like self-cutting and suicide a big no-no.

Cybersex is not allowed on this server, and, in my opinion, is way less offensive and dangerous than these issues so I would prefer they were not allowed.

You climb a signpost and jump off, pretending you can fly.

You punch a wall in a fit of anger.

You are a monk or Loviatar worshipper, scourging yourself for self-improvement.

You're delivering a blood sacrifice to a demon or deity during a ritual.

Plenty of reasons to have this command, only one not to: somebody might mistake a game for reality and get a little tear in their eye. I'll be the first to say boo hoo.

As much as I dont want this game to stop being fun for some people here, I think Lts might be right here, It isnt our job to act as a cussion. Otherwise all violence at all should be removed, and necromancy, and non-christian morals. Anyway, this is going to end up locked, and never happen.

*shrug* Guess Ill have to walk back and fourth over those acid thingys if i want to accuse someone.

I have to say I'm against this as well. As has been said before at the end of the day you can just get hold of a dm then emote what your doing and I'm sure they'll be able to do something.

I say no to this as well.

If you want to hurt youself, get a DM. If you want to hold a blood sacrifice to a demon or devil, get a DM.

It's not that hard of a thing to do.

Yes it is.

Getting a DM for something as stupid as you punching a wall is outright absurd. Getting a DM is HARD to do in MOST cases. In fact we almost need a Dm for half the interactions that take place on this server. And they are very busy. Always. Actually, People get Apps passed because they come up with good idea that generates a response from the player base. This isnt any different. Its just another way to involve people around you.

This is not some boo-hoo command for people that want to play emo (Although, depression is VERY valid in the Fricken underdark. Its down right commonplace- And should be!).

This is a resource used for Roleplaying out actions that have an effect on your character. Maybe you fell off a wall. (lag) Maybe you kicked a rock in full scamper through the underdark. Maybe you burnt your hand on a stove, maybe you're recovering form a confusion spell and you end up slamming your head into a rock wall to clear it as the spell wears off. There are allot of cool things that -can- be done.

This is something that can involve people in other ways then merely. Boo-hoo I cut myself. Oh right, I'm playing on a server where we can be enslaved, treaded like dirt, mugged, assassinated, Cut in half during the social murderthon events we call questing. Seriously, this is not a soft core server. It hasn't ever been. You can sell your character's soul on this server. To reject the option of allowing to hurt yourself is stupid.

Tripping down a stair case, rolling damage on yourself when you hit the bottom could inspire a whole 30minutes of Rp all by itself. People wont pay attention to it unless they see how hard it hurt. Being able to damage yourself is a way to make Roleplaying a visual and undeniable effect. It takes it from the wow that woulda hurt.. to the Wow.. are you okay? lets get some ice of that!....

If you want to play out starvation damage, you can! And if others care, then it will force them to treat the situation with some degree of intensity. If you may bleed out from a wound, you can do so slowly. Maybe someone will help- maybe they wont. Its a way for us as players to take some control over the situations we can put ourselves in.

The reason I'm supporting this so vehemently is because there have been hundreds of situations during my time here that I wish I could've had this to add another dimension to the Rp. And just about half the people here have said they wanted it.

So because you feel so passionately for it, anyone who feels passionately against it is wrong?

I agree it is a useful tool for things you mention, all I suggested was that along with this mode a ban be put into effect for it to be used for certain things.

EFU has no cybersex. EFU has no rape.

EFU is a dark server without these things, why does it need emoted suicide/cutting?

Emoting cutting/suicide can be very emotional for some people, people who have come here to escape their real lives which might not be that great.

Fall down the stairs and use self damage if it existed, that is great. I just don't think it needs to be used for some actions.

At the very least be considerate if someone gives you an OOC tell asking you not to do it around their character. There could be reasons they are uncomfortable with it.

So, to summarize: Self damage doesn't seem like a bad idea. Some of its uses seem questionable to me.

9lives is right...minefield...I should just stay out of it.

suicide/cutting

Doesn't have to be its intention at all. If thats all it could or would be used for, then I would agree with you. However I'm sure that this tool would find a Myriad of other uses on this server.

The primary uses would not need to be suicide or cutting, and I'm not entirely sure I understand what the problem is with either. Suicide is painless, it's bring on many changes, and I say we should put this option in so I can take or leave it if I please, and you can do the same thing if you please.

Echoing the last two: The purposes are not for suicide/cutting. The purposes will be as much a meta-usefulness for roleplaying as something that should be validly possible in-character.

But as everyone is intent on strawmanning the argument with claims of "omg suicide/emos!" I'll counter with one of my own, just for the lolz. We've got multiple commands for catapults! CLEARLY THE SERVER IS ADVOCATING THE IRL USE OF CATAPULTS ON OTHER PEOPLE.

No, come on guys. There is no valid reasoning against this. Lots of people are depressed or cut themselves for other reasons. And I think a great portion of them would also be insulted to think that something like EfU drove them to it.

I'm finding this argument totally unreasonable. First, let's stop referring to it as pure suicidal/cutting now and call it an Hp Reducer or something. That is all it is for, to reduce the hp of the PC to roleplay some physical harm to the character. You can't complain about suicide/cutting yourself when this entire server involves, or revolves, around:

1. MURDER 2. Terrorism 3. Stealing 4. Lying 5. Cheating 6. Backstabbing 7. Betrayal 8. Hatred

That is only eight. There are presently heads placed on spikes around the city now. This happens irl too and can be disturbing for ppl that has experienced such horrific things. And now, the word suicide pops up and the scale tips over? Now, I can see why this would be frowned upon if this server did not allow those top eight above... but, since they already exist then it makes no sense to even bother disputing it.

"You don't know what the past issues are of the players on EFU, and this could affect some people in a negative way. "

This self-damaging command could affect some people in a negative way... Okay, but those top eight (or even top three) couldn't?

That doesn't make sense.... Chewbacca, living with Ewoks...it just doesn't make SENSE.

Ebok: I have twice now mentioned that I agree with the system for many uses, just not some.

If used for questionable content (suicide/cutting/torture/etc) just respect a person if they OOC tell you they are not comfortable with it, and don't punish them because of it.

It wouldn't affect me personally, I just know some of the people I worked with in the past would be greatly affected by people taking something like this so lightly so gave my two cents, well far more than two cents now.

I still dont see the point of it all the suggestions for it can be done very easily via role play so I dont understand the need to have to script it into the game itself. Also for one or two of the suggestions i would say command or not you would still need a dm there to go through with it anyway.

Yeah - as a few people have said. Its a minefield.

Its about the emotional and psychological damage these issues have on people directly involved in RL. This thread itself is offensive enough in the way some are so flippant about the issue. I have no issue with consensual cybersex in an over 18s environment (which this is not however), but topics such as hard drug use, rape, torture, self-harm and suicide are extremely troubling and it is hard to guarantee widespread consensus of maturity and sensitivity when dealing with them.

Then again, I also occasionally find the various acts of torture and depravity roleplayed on this server disturbing. Its not a moral issue for me - but just why I would never go see a movie like "Hostel". Roleplaying "evil" is fine, its just when someone says "that was so bad-ass/cool" rather than "that was really disturbing and confronting" that I begin to worry.

I'm not sure that EfU in its current state is suitable for younger players. Its not about censorship or protection, but about maturity levels when creating the darkest, most troubling and deepest storylines that are suitable to the Underdark setting.

However - if the issue at hand had been approached from the start as "/c lose 1dx HP" and its intended uses left well alone, I'm sure this would have garnered more support.

Chez, to have a suggestion fail due to its title on the forum is sad. The suggestion has merit. Half say it hits to close to home, half say they want it in.

This is a game. Everything inside it is pretend and fake. Certain issues are more painful for some, and for that same reason some elements of this server have been limited. This could be one of them- except.

For one, if you want to kill your character- thusly suicide- I'd like to point out that its already allowed. It happens, already. And if you want to cut yourself, its very easy to get someone else to do it for you. They have entire cults around Beating each other within an inch of their lives then healing them a bit and letting them meander around the city until they heal the rest and are ready for another go.

If this suggestion is an issue for Dms who dislike emo-ism, its not going to increase or decrease the non stop depression some characters get in this place.

Really the only thing this suggestion will add or change to is the ability for characters to mess with their hp. And that alone can allow someone to do a whole load of things. they could try to do them normally, but some people will treat it much lighter if they are not given that shock of seeing them take damage doing it.

Ok In this server there is Slaving torture Murder Torture Beating people to the floor. Did I mention consuming a living screaming corpse in acid? Also um theres monsters that eat dead Pc and in some case Npc Corpses.

If you can endure all that and not suicide then please this isnt the server for you.

Ebok Chez, to have a suggestion fail due to its title on the forum is sad.

Couldn't agree more. But it is the title and content of this thread that is really the problem, and the insensitivity of some of the posts is why the topic is a minefield. I'm well aware of the current methods of suicide - the Underdark is a dangerous place. Whether or not the server is already in need of at least an "adult themes" rating - I just hope everyone of every age on this server understands that the themes I mentioned in my prior post are not ones that you can just expect everyone to go "ah well its just a game" over.

Creating stories with these themes requires maturity and ooc respect for other players' potential sensitivities so that we can all enjoy the complexity and diversity of the telling. To be honest I wouldn't expect anything less of EfU's amazing player-base and DMs.

I think the idea of "/c lose x HP" has plenty of merit, and that this thread should probably be locked and a better phrased suggestion made.

Forgive my ignorance, but what does "emo" stand for?

Perhaps this topic should be locked and maybe the title I selected was a little extreme; therefore, I recreated the topic.

"Emo" stands for "emotional," and are often associated with sad, moody people (teenagers and preteens mostly, of course) who usually despair so much that they actually cut themselves.

Think "three steps down from Goth."

On the issue, "HP Reducing" seems like a good thing, but I can see how it would be misused.

For instance, by going sucide several times over and respawning, you could redo easy quests just for the gold they give. (Unlikely, but still.) If suicide is perma, it could be the same way with deletion-someone gets so angered that they actually kill off their character.

At the very most, you should be able to subdue yourself. You should also be able to damage yourself for RP reasons.

Please, leave the suicide for really special cases-or just leave it alone.

Ace

Okay, thanks for that info.

Just take wizard levels and cast fireballs in your face.

On a serious note, this doesn't seem desirable at all to me.

Sherry, you are such a loltrolol.(Lol Troll)

In all seriousness- Its just this, I have had the situations arise, where I failed to make a reflex save, or I did something that pained my character- and needed blood... I am all for this suggestion, for this reason...

Let the baby have the bottle? :(

IBtL.

Minefield'd!