Ok, I don't know if this is possible, but it should be, shouldn't it?

Since a shadow dancer would be completely unpractical in the underdark (either that or needing to be heavily modified), we have one Prc slot that i believe (Not quite sure) could be modifyed (No .hak's, i mean modify as in with the editor) to be another Prc, couldn't it? There are 100's of Prc's in D&D, and we could modify the shadow dancer to another Prc. It sounds like a fun change to make, just a suggestion though.

If this is possible, anyone have any suggestions for which Prc it could be?

There's nothing impractical about Shadowdancers in the Underdark or in EfU. There has been at least one, maybe two of them thusfar on the server. The issue arises in that they are extraordinarily difficult to have approved, because of the (easily exploited) mechanical advantages they provide.

Kotenku There's nothing impractical about Shadowdancers in the Underdark or in EfU. There has been at least one, maybe two of them thusfar on the server. The issue arises in that they are extraordinarily difficult to have approved, because of the (easily exploited) mechanical advantages they provide.

Wouldn't the shadow jump ability (Not sure if thats in NWN) make it possible to be a practical god?

Hell no, it just means you got a freaking semi-god ability among the stealthers as most likely one of the best in hiding your own presence. I also believe that it can stay as it is, but damn, it needs to be in the hands of a responsible person.

I think there are few to no people that the DMs trust enough with Hide in Plain Sight.

Except for LTS. Who doesn't trust a creepy anime avatar?

If they allowed it they could probably make it so you can't go into the shadows untill your calmed down enough to relax (Like 5 minutes after your last attack)

But than again they can probably remove HiPS all together.

Pretty sure we have had no SD PRCs Kotenku!

And yes, its an -extremely- abusable ability. Until such time as we can incorporate some cool-down timer effect on the ability, Shadowdancers are probably not going to be approved.

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Yep.

Removing the "Hide in Plain Sight" Feat or modifying it that it works exactly the same as Stealth is possible; and still leaves enough of the ShadowDancer's cool stuff available.

Before level 3, if HiPS is excluded, Shadowdancers are nothing but gimped rogues. Darkvision is the only non-rogue ability gained (woohoo). Given that level 8 is the first time one can possibly take a SD level, your EfU SD would have to be level 10 to be anything else than a gimped rogue.

Needless to say, no one would want to pick Shadowdancer in EfU if HiPS was removed (and no other modifications made).

I am certain there are scripts ((Like with the RDD PRC, you nerfed the dragon flame)) That will make HIPS a later addition, ((like lvl 10)) And give Shadow Evade at the first lvl instead. if this is not possible, Then you can remove HIPS all together and let SD's use corner sneaking.

It's fine as it is. I am not a DM but I'll say this-

Keep HIPS as it is, give Shadowdancers if you get a suitably awesome app from an awesome long-time player you can trust not to abuse it. Don't see the problem.

Just remember that apping for shadowdancer is like apping for infinite Quickened Greater Sanctuary/day... OR almost. Good luck getting it approve :P

Sorry if I missed it, but where do I apply to be a shadowdancer?

-Kalos

You gotta be kidding, but you'd send the application to the same email you send everything to, escapefromunderdark@gmail.com.

This link will help, if you're looking to make an application of any sort.

https://efupw.com/efu1-forum/topic/22/22158/application-process/index.html

Be aware that applying for a shadowdancer is likely to end in abject refusal though, at least with the class as it is mechanics wise. Good luck though!

Arkov Shadowdancer -- (This class is not currently available to PCs, due to balance concerns.)

:shrug:

I don't think that if you wrote a super mega awesome application for it you'd be denied. I know I can't write that application, though. Balance shouldn't be that big of a concern if you have a good concept.

Can someone point me to the thread that explains why HIPS is overpowered? I tried searching for it but can't find it. How does it differ from P&P?

Getting to level 8 to take that SD level is hard enough sometimes, so it's not like your level 4 with HiPS

Jasede:

It's overpowered in NWN because it can be used anywhere, anytime. In PnP, it can only be used in clearly shadowed areas.

Don't see the trouble- It's the Underdark, it's mostly perfectly dark apart from some luminous mushrooms. And if DM sees you use it while standing next to a torch, or near a PC that carries "glow" equipment, he'll promptly deduct you 10000 XP, if not worse, and I don't see anyone wanting to take the risk to find out what or worse.

That said, this rambling is pretty much off-topic, so it's just my two cents.

AFAIK, you cannot substitute a prestige class (and you certainly can't add any), but yes, it is possible to modify it, like they did with the harper scout. In order to make sense, though, it would still have to relate to the PrC name (red wizard of Thay doesn't really make sense, you know?).

As for HiPS, if I'm not mistaken, it's sort of bugged, and in a sense that makes it very difficult not to exploit (even when not on purpose), which is one of the main reasons at least some of the DMs will outright veto the class.

All this being said, we do of course accept applications of any sort. And with an outstanding application, the sky's the limit.

The Shadowdancer PrC will not be substituted for anything else. At least, not in the near future.

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