Well, thomas made a small rant on our forums, i shall return the favour.

Your server looks well designed, has many neat features, but a few things put me off.

1st. The swearing. I mean come on, You call yourselfs a roleplay server, ban anyone who doesn't roleplay, but you allow people to utter curses, when if you think about it, they shouldn't even know? Since your server is based in FR, and since the FR history is much different from that of our own, they would have (logically) Developed comepletely different curses, and therefore our modern swears, *should* not be understood IC by anyone.

that said, even if you can, Why must you? Like seriously, is it THAT hard to NOT walk up and say, "What the fuck's going on here?" There are other ways to erm.. Emphasize your point, without referring to vulgarity.

2nd. There is such a thing as having TOO MANY people online. Thomas dragged me along into a quest the otehr day, and honestly, every 30 seconds a new person showed up, and had to have the story explained to them IC by the rest, and then they proceeded to ask the same questions the last person before them did, etc etc. It is rather pointless to carry out a quest where you need to explain the main plot, of a small quest, like 30 times.

theres a few more things, but i will stop here, to spare you the long and arduous task of reading 4 more pages.

Cussing is allowed ICly, and some of our "modern" swears date back to those times.

and some of our "modern" swears date back to those times.

That's my point though, they don't. FR is competely different from earth, they have no common history, it;s not even a part of earth, therefore, citizens of FR woudl have their own curses, and ours should merely be gibberish to them.

Wait. I don't get it. You don't like the server because people swear and people roleplay with other people?

Well, in all fairness you can't tell people how to play their characters, and I do admit there are some that cuss frequently.

Secutor Wait. I don't get it. You don't like the server because people swear and people roleplay with other people?

The swear part is right, it's completely unneccessary.

I'm all for roleplay, but like i said, there is such a thing as Too many people online, and when they all try to join in a quest after it starts, it becomes annoying rather than fun, as they all have to be brought up to speed, then given the chance to ask the exact same questions the last new person did, and so forth.

You're silly. :)

The Underdark is a harsh place. Very harsh. And that comes through poorly enough as it is.

Until Ed Greenwood churns out a comprehensive list of Forgotten Realms swears in the Common tongue, "Shit!" will have to do the job.

As far as the other matter goes, you're complaining about the wrong thing. There is definitely not any such thing as too many people online. There are, however, isolated incidents as you described that sometimes get silly and frustrating.

It sounds like something that would be perfectly acceptable to gripe about In-Characterly though.

If you don't want to deal with tag-alongs, you're always welcome to create a Leader-type character, grab reins of a chaotic situation, and lay down ground rules, such as "No more bloody tag-alongs".

I've played at least one such hardass character, who I found grossly entertaining to play for his lack of patience for bullshitting and political posturing. People tended to get so polarized into either respect or disdain for him, that it was always fun to see how things turned out.

You don't have to accept every roleplay opportunity, if you can dismiss it In-Characterly, after all.

What on earth is this about?

You're certainly entitled not to like it, but the logical response would be not to play something you don't like! Going on a rant seems a bit immature.

I am confused by your criticism of swearing. Yes, FR would have different swear words to earth. But lets face it on FR they also speak common (or Damaran or Chondathan etc.), not English for crying out loud. All of our words come from a specific culture, and would be gibberish to a Faerunian. Since we are using the English word for "sword" to represent the FR common tongue word for the same, we may as well use the swear words of out own language to represent the Faerunian ones. As far as I can see the only words in English that shouldn't be used are ones that have no parallel in FR, such as "supercomputer".

If you really dislike 'real' swearing, ask the people you're with to substitute in arse, shite, or feck!

Otherwise, I think Scrappa summed it up pretty well.

Actually, I was surprised by the criticisms, in that they don't resemble anything I experience on EfU.

Firstly, most of the people I RP with are very colorful in their use of language, and I think the closest I've heard to swearing has been "Feckin'" and "Arse." More often than not, I see people using fictional swear words. ("Takasi! Oh, excuse my elven...")

Secondly, it seems that people usually -aren't- asking questions about a quest, because they've done it 50 million times. I'm usually bummed because people are saying, "Yeah, let's go clear the *SPOILER* in Jane's house, oh, and I better rest and memorize *SPOILER*" rather than asking, "What do we need to do on this job? So, we're just checking in on her? Sounds easy enough, I'll go get rest and supplies later." I'd much rather be complaining about 30 people asking the same questions as they show up, than to have everyone somehow know all the details without anyone saying a word -- annoying, maybe, but reality is annoying.

I guess I hang around with the wrong crowds. :P

Well, not everyone can be pleased. Although, I can't say that a freedom to allow players play in server is a bad thing. Hell yeah, it's always nice and quality guaranteed when you got closed player base, but in my mind that just avoids you any chances to find new, interesting and perhaps fun players and consepts, that the old guys couldn't come up with.

In my opinion, the one fun, different and extraordinaire consept that I might face among ten new guys, it's well worth it. I like it when we got lots of different people. It's not asked that everyone likes it.

( What server was it that Thomas ranted to make you give us this "semi-payback" )

Cruzel Well, thomas made a small rant on our forums

Semi-payback? Please let's not start a server rivalry... Thomas certainly doesnt represent the majority of the playerbase in whatever criticism he brought in his short reign over your server, and I think it isnt appropriate to do so when you are the 'new' guy. Deal with him and dont drag the whole playerbase with, it would generally not get accepted very well.

As for swearing and tag-alongs, -_-;; There are a lot of people here, you are not entitled to like everyone... We preach tolerance as a big tenet. So, accepting eachother's faults is one of them... lots of people means lots of different social background and perhaps different social etiquette...

Just for the record, Howland made a post somewhere saying we discourage the use of the specific word 'fuck,' but cursing in general is fine.

While we can delve into philosophy, curse words are a part of life. You can only take offense to it if you choose to.

Your second point on having too many people online. Personally I feel that it's better to have a server running near capacity than one running stagnant. If you feel that too many people are tagging along, let your party members know or if you're adamant, just leave and move on to a new venue.

Overall I'm not sure what you want from us. Frankly, you're giving non-constructive criticism. You have complaints, but you offer no possible solution.

Well, thomas made a small rant on our forums

I missed this...a link would be very helpful!

Cruzel tl;dr

You're a joke.

I'd just ask you to remember that no one on this server is a perfect roleplayer. A lot of people will draw references from their everyday lives into their dialogue and emotes-curse words, expressions, phrases, etc. are all a part of this. No one who plays a character on this server was actually born and raised in Faerun; they're from real-life Planet Earth, and as such, terrestrial expressions are going to slip into their roleplaying. I think it's a bit harsh to get upset over this-unless someone is just doing it constantly. To be honest, I've never seen someone continually spam away curse words on this server and keep at it indefinitely, for days on end.

In regards to your second point-the playerbase of EfU is currently far below the number of players it should be running at for an optimal world, at least when I log in. I can't see why you'd object to more players-they mean more people to interact with, a great chance of finding characters your own character would mesh with, and more people for a DMs to take interest in and motivate. This isn't a campaign-playerworlds are influenced heavily by how many PCs they have, and generally, the more the better. More players also generally stimulate more DM attention, so it's good for both sides of the board.

-SaRF

About swearing. As Scrappa has pointed out, its pretty ridiculous to use the argument "PCs are in Faerun and they have their own insults/curses and therefore 'fuck' and various other words are completely OOC". Every culture has expletives, of which some are much worse than others. Faerunians have their expletives too. Faerunians talk Common, which we do too through the English language. Emphasis therefore shouldn't be on whether a Faerunian would somehow start using expletives in a language not even existent in his universe, but instead whether the English expletives we use while playing Faerunian PCs would have been used in the form of English spoken around the middle ages. 'Fuck' or equivalent is therefore fine to use ontologically.

Having said that, for the purposes of server environment, we have made it quite clear we don't want excessive use of such expletives. Dropping it every now and then is okay. We would much prefer more creative things like "By Sune's tits..." etc.

As for the server numbers: the event I think you had in mind was designed to provide everyone online with some involvement, Cruzel. More players do make things messier, but it can also be fun. I don't think you should take this particular DM event and extrapolate it to the point where its supposedly emblematic of all DM events. Indeed, we usually confine our events/quests to small numbers for the very reasons you mentioned.

So take heart, and welcome to EFU. :)

By Sune's ample bosom!

By Auril's cold trench!

CRuzel...if you give the link I will never forgive you!!!!!!!!!! OKay, here's de Link.

http://www.demonrealms.net/forum//index.php?showtopic=4300

I have a question.

Why would curse words not translate, but other words would? I mean, if there are no English curse words in FRCS, then wouldn't it stand to reason that there would be no English whatsoever?

Oh noes! I never learned how to role-play the Common tongue!

Well by reading the forums, it's clear that Demonrealm doesn't seem to be a hardcore RPing server. It seems to be more like a simple story server where you RP questing/leveling, and sometimes killing, but you take all RP and IC consequences away to OOC allow people continue their venture.

This is also why I won't wonder why a person from that realm would wonder things when he comes to ours.

I won't make many points as it would mostly be repeating what has already said. The swearing is sufficient. Seeing as we don't speak common. The numbers are good allowing more many storyllines that can intersect at will.

Now when I first read this, I groaned and thought that Thomas has been shit stiring on other servers. I apologise Thomas. It appears he made a legitimate complaint about your server, which you appear to have taken it personally and sought "revenge" in some way. Even the thread title (semi-payback) insights that HOW DARE he say something lilke that about your server.

This comes across as exceptionally immature and reflects poorly on your server a a whole.

Even the thread title (semi-payback) insights that HOW DARE he say something lilke that about your server.

I really don't have anything against thomas, he's a good guy and fun to play with.

Well by reading the forums, it's clear that Demonrealm doesn't seem to be a hardcore RPing server.

No it's not a "hardcore" server, but i tend to prefer those, too many rules about what can get you banned, can put new people off, and the community (most of them) allows for interesting characters to meet and develop your character with.

but you take all RP and IC consequences away to OOC allow people continue their venture

the only real consequence that is taken away, is death not being permanent. it just wouldn't work with our system, as unlike the EFU, it is possible, and easy (sometimes too easy imo) to level up to 20, and beyond. With a system like this, where the items are also somewhat better (and the monsters as well to balance) Would it make sense that someone who has a high level, for example killed your character because he hates halflings, and all those hours are gone to waste for that small reason? Perhaps in the underdark, people would just loot the corpse and leave it be, but most of the people on Demonrealms RP characters that would try to help the person.

Cruzel wrote: tl;dr

You're a joke.

I don't see anything typed by me looking like that.

Semi-payback? Please let's not start a server rivalry...

A server rivalry is not my intent. I'm not making a post saying, OMG DR MUCH BEETER, EFU SUCKS!!!. On the contrary, efu seems to have many great features, most of which demonrealms does not have. If anyone thinks that was the object of this post, i do apologize for giving that impression.

Also. As note to LovetheSuit's post.

tl;dr translates to Too Long, Didn't Read

STEP ASIDE, DR DRAGON! THOMAS HAS A NEW RIVAL!

All I have to say on this thread is "The More the Merrier!". One thing I love about this server is the number of active players. Every time I log on I seem to run into someone new and interesting to role-play with.

However, that doesn't mean I want to bring the whole server with me on every quest I go on ;)

-Kalos

Halfbrood STEP ASIDE, DR DRAGON! THOMAS HAS A NEW RIVAL!

Harsh!

This thread really is going nowhere...

Warden, throw this topic in lockup. :arrow:

I can agree with the point of hating PVP on my time on the server anytime i was involved in it i just disliked it, i never found it fun or enjoyable no matter if i was doing it or it was done to me.

Thomas has enough enemies leave the poor boy alone.

This thread is indeed pretty ridiculous.