I need tips on what the two best third circle spells are for bards.

I'm considering using fear because it would be really interesting in RP, but I'm not sure.

Gust of wind is nice, the KD effect helps plus it dispels ground AoE effects without a check.

Greater Magic Weapon is good because how can it hurt to have +2 ab and damage?

Keen if you use a slashing weapon.

Displacement can be helpful too

Haste +4 ac and another APR at your highest AB.

Cure serious, because it can't hurt to heal yourself or others ever.

This is a very easy question. The spells that fit your concept.

Clairvoyance/Clairaudience (level 3) + Listen (level 1) to make sure no one spies on your plotting :P

And haste is always useful.

Cure Serious defintely, Haste for quick getaways ((Bards are NOT meant to go into combat, watever your concept says,)) And wounding whispers for defensive combat. ((Also useful for idle strolls through lower when you are wanted dead :wink: ))

((Bards are NOT meant to go into combat, watever your concept says,))

Funniest thing... -_- Bards can kick-ass along with the best of them.

You get a bard with 14 dex with a tower shield tumble and some chainmail they can have the best AC in the game.

Trust me, I know what ya thinking, and I class bards along with mages, they will survive longer and do your party more good, if they don;t do into combat,

Tell that to Narr'ghuul..

It all depends on the build, character, and concept; but bards can easily equal fighters at bashing things to pieces. As far as the spells go, Bestow Curse is nice. Very nice.

Not to mention Orison.

They can do reasonably well in combat. My bard usually jumps into melee (and has never died), and I've seen him do upwards of 60 damage.

I'm still new to the class, however - what other roles do you suggest?

If playing a support role, you can't go wrong with Haste and Cure Serious, especially if you have Craft Wand for the latter.

Are you guys forgetting about Tristan Noyre? Not <-----

Anyway. Depending on your type of armor, various spells can be good. So, do you plan on wearing plate, do you plan on fighting, or do you plan on staying in the back?