Hi. Last thursday I (Hafur) and Kasin moonsbane went to do the chosen quest in the sewers. I just want to say what happened and my opinion about it.

It all started and worked out as normal. We killed the boss, but then when we was about to get out of there it was a 4 or 5 chosen fighters on the bridge there. Behind them there was 5 chosen arcanists. We started fighting the warriors and under that time the arcanists buffed up. The arcanists aint so hard, coz you useually kill them befor they start with thiere damageing spells. They was fireing isaacs lesser missil storm and nevativ energy on us. We managed to kill the ones at the bridge and heal up. Then when we continued to get out from that place there was more chosen. This time on that place where there is two bridges. At the side we went there were first fighters and later arcanists. We killed 2 or 3 fighters but had to back coz the missil storms the negative energy and the dispells from the arcanists got us almost killed, Hafur was down to -9. They disspeled our protection from evil so we got scared by thiere spells. so We retreated a little bit and healed up and full-buffed us. I took one of the sides and Kasin the other one. We managed to kill them. Then we continued to the next bridge. Even more chosen. There was atleast 5 fighters and 6 arcanists standing on that bridge all of them fireing spells at us and once again we got feared. We thought we was dead. Hafur was at about 20 life and Kasin on about 30. Then the fear went off and we runned back a bit to heal. After buffing we runned at the chosen again and killed them. We continued and there it was a "loot room" it did seem like the room had a secret door. We tryed search and Kasin even made himself to a small fey and tryed to get in to the room at a spot that it were a crack in the wall. But not even a response from the DM! Not even something that he do not succes or something like that. Just quite. After that we continued. understanding that we could not get in to that room. And what do you think waits on the final bridge? More chosen! A 8 fighters and a 8 arcanists! Hafur went down to - 8 and lost all his healing supplies. I polimorphed into a troll for reg there in my panic.

We killed some of them but then when I and Kasin got feared again it all was about over for us. I in troll shape runned away from the battle with some chosen after us. But Kasin runned in to a corner with all his fear and chosen after him.

The fears duratation was over for me and Kasin and we charged back. There was only one arcanist beetwen us and the door. But he was full buffed and got Kasin killed. Kasin was at -9 at it was so laggy that I couldn't heal him. He died and I managed just to run away from the arcanist with only 13 life. When I got to the sewer area, one of the chosen fighters had followed and it bugged so I couldn't see him. He bashed me down to -6 but I came to life again. Fast polimorph to a troll again and then I runned out from the sewers. I got some help from Murreck and a orc but when we comes to the quest place there aint no DM on so they cant follow me in and save Kasins bodie. ( we had allready killed the boos and couln't add others ) So I went in alone grabben all the things and kasins bodie and runned out for my life again. And that was it. No extra Xp or anything at all.

I am telling this coz I felt that the DM that did that just had left us with a gaint spawn in our way. The "loot" room, there was no DM there and that was in a quite early time on the way back.

It felt bad. I have no problem getting perma killed in a very hard DM quest with no odds to survive. And ím fine with loseing all my buff potions and healing. Just as long as it can be done nice. There was no chance for us to RP that nice. Now when we actually survived I belived that we should get some extra xp or something, but there was no DM on. And we never got any respons on when Kasin tryed to get throw that crack in the wall. Just nothing. :x

Like I said. Im ok with hard spawns loseing all you got in potions and so as long as it gets some extra xp, if I actually survives, and a nice RP under the quest. This was just like " Lets make a gaint spawns thats kills them"

My opinion is just that it was a little bit bad my the DM that did that just to make a gaint spawn and then leave us with it. :(

No chance to RP Kasins death either, his bodie just was there on the ground, not eaten by the chosen (That I belive would happen if a DM was there) or something at all.

Sorry for this hard writeing, just had to get it out from me.

My point is: Ok with hard DM quest lose all your thing and so only if it can be rped nice. It cant be rped nice if them DM only makes a gant spawn and lefts it there. I understad if the DM had to log by some reason. And I have been thinking about it, is it possible that it was a bugg and that's why we got a so gaint spawn? I dont think a DM would do that way.. But It happened.

//Johan Maxon, sorry that this aint so good writen, im not so good at it.

Next time you have a complaint of this nature, it is best handled through the e-mail. After reading through this, however, it sounds as if this wasn't spiced at all, just the type of spawns very high level characters would get while doing this quest. I could be mistaken of course, but it's very doubtful that if a DM was spicing you, he'd purposely kill everyone without responding to any tells.

To add to what wcsherry said, what you see through your client should not influence what your characters see. I'm not sure I know what "loot room" you saw, but if your characters can see it, they don't know it's there and therefore can't "look for it." You may have just rotated the camera enough to see a treasure control area, which is a special small section we use in each QA to maintain -- it is completely OOC.

Sorry, all my faulth. "Kasin" Said that he felt something on the wall. That it was thinner. he "Knocked" on it.

Sorry for that and thanks for the answhere. Feels better now when I know that it can spawn so much. Sorry.

To be honest with you, it sounds like you guys were the victims of high spawns and our new monster AI (which admittedly looks a lot like DM possession to the uninitiated - but that's the whole point I guess!)

And yeah, you probably saw a treasure control room (which technically you shouldn't be able to) which is responsible for the random loot drops you see - you probably saw 'area base medium' and that sort of thing.

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